Not thrilled with LLL Reptile.

[Skiploder]

I find this response an interesting assumption..........................

It's called "hedging bets".

You gotta try really hard to kill a king snake. I'm not buying that it was a husbandry error. This wasn't some newbie greenhorn that bought this animal.

If this is something that LLL bred in house, I would ask for all feed, poop and shed records for this animal. If it isn't, then maybe LLL would be so kind as to tell you how long they have had the animal in store and what it's husbandry history was.

If this is an animal purchased from a breeder and re-purposed by LLL, get whatever you can get back, and I'll PM you a list of reputable lampropeltis breeders who can account for their babies from lock to hatch. You can start with a PM or a call to Wes. If he doesn't have an animal that suits your needs, I'm sure he can direct you to a BREEDER that does.

[Mike41793]

Mike, in all fairness to LLL, IF you were to privately talk to them and hash things out, and IF they were to offer you a replacement animal, then you should give them that opportunity to rectify the situation. A lot of breeders will offer replacement animals before they offer cash back. Then again, being that this hobby attracts a lot of the underbelly of society as well, there would also be a lot of people that you would never hear back from.

The buyers don't dictate terms of sale, and if the seller is willing to go outside of their terms, you should take their offer. You may rather just have your money back, but IF they are willing to give you a replacement animal, it could be a great one(though if I were you, IF a replacement animal is offered, I would strongly insist on one that they had bred and raised rather than from a "batch" they had recently purchased). You could possibly also use any credit towards purchase of supplies, so you wouldn't have to be weary of another animal. If you flat out refuse any of their resolutions, then you are partly to blame for making it a difficult situation.

I don't blame Jenn for wanting you to take it to PM or e-mail, as that is where it should be discussed...and maybe discussing it with her will have a different result than with whomever you discussed it before.

For the record, I think LLL should rectify the situation....I just don't necessarily believe a refund is the first or only solution.

Well, to be perfectly honest, the reason I don't want a replacement animal is bc i think that the kingsnake could have had something. If it did then their other animals might too. It scares the ever living crap out of me because I have a lot invested in my ball python collection. I mean money obviously, but also a lot of time and energy.

I realize that it may come across as me being "difficult" but I'm not. I've already said I accept that I won't get a refund and that's why I didn't make this thread attacking them. If I came on here acting like a victim whining about stuff and freaking out I would agree with you, I didn't though. I've said numerous times now I'm not pissed off or anything, just disappointed. I just wanted to share my experience. If someone reads this and goes "oh what an idiot he should have just got another animal from them at a discount" then so be it. That's their own prerogative. But I'm sure there's also people who will read it and feel how I do. That's it.

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[RobNJ]

the reason I don't want a replacement animal is bc i think that the kingsnake could have had something.

Then have a necropsy done....not cool to speculate on a public forum like that. If it scares you that much, it should be no issue to follow the proper protocol to either confirm or alleviate your fear. If you're not willing to do that, you surely shouldn't be bringing it up here...

Have you addressed this particular concern of yours with LLL?

[Kodieh]

Then have a necropsy done....not cool to speculate on a public forum like that. If it scares you that much, it should be no issue to follow the proper protocol to either confirm or alleviate your fear. If you're not willing to do that, you surely shouldn't be bringing it up here...

So do you not believe in the BOI over on fauna?

And should mike have just bit the bullet, not told anyone, and other people made a false good faith purchase of another possibly sick kingsnake?

If you eat at a restaurant, you're gonna tell people who talk about it that you got sick there. Right? Or are you the kind of person to just keep quiet.

If someone cuts you off on the highway, do you just assume you're the one who can't drive?

Everything wrong with the world, right here everyone. Right. Here.

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[RobNJ]

So do you not believe in the BOI over on fauna?

And should mike have just bit the bullet, not told anyone, and other people made a false good faith purchase of another possibly sick kingsnake?

If you eat at a restaurant, you're gonna tell people who talk about it that you got sick there. Right? Or are you the kind of person to just keep quiet.

If someone cuts you off on the highway, do you just assume you're the one who can't drive?

Everything wrong with the world, right here everyone. Right. Here.

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Lacking comprehension skills Kodie??? What you just said has nearly zero relevance to what I said.

An animal dying after a short time is one thing, could be one of any several reasons that don't include wiping out collections...thinking the animal may infect his entire collection and spouting off about it here with nothing to back it up is entirely different. It would be different had Mike presented it as this....

"The kingsnake died for no apparent reason, so I have sent it off for a necropsy and will update this thread with results when I receive them."

[Kodieh]

Lacking comprehension skills Kodie??? What you just said has nearly zero relevance to what I said.

An animal dying after a short time is one thing, could be one of any several reasons that don't include wiping out collections...thinking the animal may infect his entire collection and spouting off about it here with nothing to back it up is entirely different. It would be different had Mike presented it as this....

"The kingsnake died for no apparent reason, so I have sent it off for a necropsy and will update this thread with results when I receive them."

That'd be your lack of comprehension, actually.

But this thread isn't about your lack comprehension or the fact that you would let other people potentially suffer your same experience with a business unaware that it could be consistent behavior.

Your incompetence is documented though.

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[Mike41793]

Robs clearly right. I should go spend more money I won't get back on a necropsy. If I've repeatedly mentioned that I don't think I killed it then isn't that subtly implying I think it was an issue on their end? I'm not making any specific accusations here, just in general, I think it was an issue on their end. That's it. And since it's been brought to my attention that I'm not the only one whose had an experience like this, I think it's a fair accusation.

You honestly must be reading my responses in the weirdest way. Not every review thread has to be completely positive or completely negative.

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[Mike41793]

"The kingsnake died for no apparent reason, so I have sent it off for a necropsy and will update this thread with results when I receive them."

And then LLL would still offer me the same solution, a credit/discount. And I'd be out more money for a necro

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[fishdip]

If it was me and I had as much money in to my other snakes as you have and I bring a new one home and it dies so randomly You can bet id be doing what ever it takes to find out what has killed it.

[RobNJ]

You honestly must be reading my responses in the weirdest way.

Mike, I was with you all the way until the following...Did I not read it correctly? To me, "something" came across as disease or infection...is that weird?

the kingsnake could have had something. If it did then their other animals might too. It scares the ever living crap out of me because I have a lot invested in my ball python collection.

And then LLL would still offer me the same solution, a credit/discount. And I'd be out more money for a necro

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And what price can you put on the alleviation of your concerns for your established collection? Also, if the king snake had "something", or an infection that could spread through collections, you'd be doing a number of people a service by putting out your money and reporting any findings.

Quite a small price to pay, I'd say.

That'd be your lack of comprehension, actually.

But this thread isn't about your lack comprehension or the fact that you would let other people potentially suffer your same experience with a business unaware that it could be consistent behavior.

Your incompetence is documented though.

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More gibberish disregarded...

If it was me and I had as much money in to my other snakes as you have and I bring a new one home and it dies so randomly You can bet id be doing what ever it takes to find out what has killed it.

I would too, a very small price for confirmation or alleviation of my concerns.




Again Mike, I was with you all the way until "something" came up...If I had the same fear of "something" entering my collection, I would certainly try my best and spend my money to figure out what that "something" is. If you're not willing to do that, then why say it...These "somethings" they may or may not be introduced into collections are taken very seriously and are very easy seeds to plant. I don't blame you for your worries(I'd probably have concerns as well), but not cool stating them here if you're not going to follow up on them, that's all.