Caramel VS Ultramel

[Pythonfriend]

Crider is a recessive gene that looks nearly identical to ultramel, and up until recently most people thought they were just two names for the same thing or two allelic but compatible genes (like coral glow/banana or butter/lesser), but it looks like they are actually not compatible with each other (like the separate axanthic lines) .... (shortened)...

thats really interesting.

but then: why not still go for it? as long as you know what you have, whats the problem with working with a smaller line that does the same things, if its so much cheaper? like with axanthic, different people work with different lines, and working with a smaller line is fine and its about the resulting optics. and people argue which lines of axanthic look the best. and for each line, there are people working with it.

so, even if they look almost the same but are incompatible (i am not sure yet, there does not seem to be much solid data), why not still go for it?

and now back to the (less popular) caramel: ok it has issues. and so has the caramillo, because its both ultramel and caramel. but the caramillo looks awesome. if it would not be for the issues with caramel, the caramillo would still be a rather unusual double recessive project, but the issues call it into question. now if crider has no issues, why not attempt a double recessive crider + ultramel? that would not be for everyone because it would probarbly look like candino or lavender albino or something, just with different genetics. but still, the option is there, so if you, by accident, produce a clutch of double hets instead of visuals, it would not be all that bad. you could still get them sold to others that may want to try ultramel + crider, or go for it yourself. but then there is the still real possibility that they are compatible, or even the same, after all. in which case, no problem at all.


now you need to see if you can verify which one it really is, ultramel or crider, and if its crider you need to figure out if maybe you want it anyway.


and then, just to make things more complicated, i need to throw in / randomly mention monarch:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/monarch/ <--- can someone explain what im looking at?

its really a lazy attempt to 1up the game and turn the caramel vs ultramel thread, which has already turned into a caramel vs ultramel vs crider thread, into a caramel vs ultramel vs crider vs monarch thread. if that makes sense