Pastel ball has wobble

[satomi325]

There are several large reputable breeders who have been keeping their snakes on pine for 10+ years with no ill effect.
All processed wood beddings are kiln dried.

[robadob143]

Aspen bedding, using a UTH, with a low setting on a heat lamp. I don't know if they carry spider gene or not, I have contacted breeder to find out info on breeding,incubation,husbandry, etc. I asked at convention but it was so noisy. He was a good rep with my trusted breeders, so I felt confident with my purchase.

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[jason_ladouceur]

Sounds like Nero damage. This could come from a number of different sources including toxins and heat spikes (both during incubation and after). Although it's very unlikely since it doesn't sound like they are stargazing this could also be ibd. Or it could be a result of parasite loads. Either way I hope that the both of them are quarantined well away from any other reptiles you may have. I'd be talking to the breeder about this right away. You also may want to have them examined by a vet to rule out parasites.

[Badgemash]

Spider is a gene that is visually expressed if present, so this is not related to the spider wobble. What are your hot temps and is there anything that could have caused a heat spike? The fact that you say the wobble is affecting the whole body and the male seems weak makes me suspect neurolugical damage from getting too hot.

[eatgoodfood]

Aspen bedding, using a UTH, with a low setting on a heat lamp. I don't know if they carry spider gene or not, I have contacted breeder to find out info on breeding,incubation,husbandry, etc. I asked at convention but it was so noisy. He was a good rep with my trusted breeders, so I felt confident with my purchase.

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UTH? With or without a thermostat? Heat lamp on a low setting, what does that even mean? No heat source should be without a thermostat. What is your surface temperature on the hot side, what are your ambient temps, and what are you using to measure these temps. I agree its likely heat related.

[robadob143]

Ok. Breeder has agreed to swap them out for a different pair, or money back. I chose to get a different pair. Yes both are quarantined. Breeder comes highly recommended. Feel it was just a oversight. Thanks all for info. We shall see!

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[kylearmbar]

There are several large reputable breeders who have been keeping their snakes on pine for 10+ years with no ill effect.
All processed wood beddings are kiln dried.

Ok thanks, I must have been ill informed.

[MarkS]

I've not heard of pine causing issues, but I do have a carpet python with a wobble where the previous owner kept it on ceder chips. Poor thing is lucky to be alive, ceder is really toxic.

[satomi325]

Ok thanks, I must have been ill informed.

No worries.
It's just a live rumor that keeps circulating all pet communities that use wood bedding.

[jason_ladouceur]

I've not heard of pine causing issues, but I do have a carpet python with a wobble where the previous owner kept it on ceder chips. Poor thing is lucky to be alive, ceder is really toxic.

I've never really been sure just how true this is. Back in the 90's before the Internet was around to tell me how dangerous ceder is I used ceder mulch in all my cages. I kept geckos, boids of all sorts and a ton of colubrids on it for years and never once had a single problem that could be attributed to using it. In Fact I knew dozens of keepers that used it for reptiles of all kinds and none of them had any problems either. I no longer use it at all though. Better safe then sorry. But I'm wondering just how much of the dangerous toxins that ceder has actually survive the process of kiln drying.