ILOL, well put. I do care about my snakes and if/when this doesn't work I will be using PAM. I have no problems with using it and in fact its not even expensive. Basically I was trying to use some of the other stuff because it was the first thing I came across. In fact when I was first looking around I wanted to stay away from chemicals completely and I had my heart set on predatory mites that would eat snake mites. From what I remember reading the live pretty well in reptile enclosures and in my opinion would be the least invasive way to treat the snakes. Anyway, I guess this is a dead subject now. Thanks again for everything.