Why so obsessed?

[Bugmom]

I guess I still don't get it.

Let's say I breed my pewter male and my pastel female in two years. I get cinnamons, pastels, pewters, maybe a super pastel. Odds are against me that I won't get a sterling pastel. So what though? Now I have a cinnamon that I didn't have to buy. Yay! Maybe I have a super pastel that I didn't have to buy. Extra yay! Because I'm not starting this venture in the red, and can easily afford to have more than the 10 snakes I have now, what's it to me or anyone else if I have a clutch of "just" pewters and pastels? They're going to be quality animals because they're produced from quality animals, and I'll have my hold backs and sell or yes, maybe even give away the rest, because SNAKES ARE FREAKING AWESOME and I want to share my snakes with the world.

If you start a business in the red, so much that you NEED to make a profit on every single snake produced, then there's a flaw in your business plan. You have to expect to run at a loss for awhile unless you start in the black. If you are the kind of person who sells off snakes because the washer broke and you don't have $400 to buy a new one, then there's a flaw in both your personal and business budgets. Every business needs emergency funds, it needs contingency plans, it needs a solid and detailed several-year plan. And it needs to be able to stay "open" when selling the product at the lowest market price. You can't bank on selling at the highest market price.

[eib88]

I guess I still don't get it.

Let's say I breed my pewter male and my pastel female in two years. I get cinnamons, pastels, pewters, maybe a super pastel. Odds are against me that I won't get a sterling pastel. So what though? Now I have a cinnamon that I didn't have to buy. Yay! Maybe I have a super pastel that I didn't have to buy. Extra yay! Because I'm not starting this venture in the red, and can easily afford to have more than the 10 snakes I have now, what's it to me or anyone else if I have a clutch of "just" pewters and pastels? They're going to be quality animals because they're produced from quality animals, and I'll have my hold backs and sell or yes, maybe even give away the rest, because SNAKES ARE FREAKING AWESOME and I want to share my snakes with the world.

If you start a business in the red, so much that you NEED to make a profit on every single snake produced, then there's a flaw in your business plan. You have to expect to run at a loss for awhile unless you start in the black. If you are the kind of person who sells off snakes because the washer broke and you don't have $400 to buy a new one, then there's a flaw in both your personal and business budgets. Every business needs emergency funds, it needs contingency plans, it needs a solid and detailed several-year plan. And it needs to be able to stay "open" when selling the product at the lowest market price. You can't bank on selling at the highest market price.

Thank you! That's exactly what I was saying earlier!

[rascal_rascal_99]

That's right how dare do people breed those single gene animals and flood the market http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...=1#post1919662

I don't shoot for single gene but they do happen as a result of breeding multiple genes animals and even if people are shooting for single gene animal why does it matter to YOU and who are YOU to tell people to cut back on their production?

I totally agree with your thinking, but a few important posts buried in that thread...

From post #56 on the OP was basically called out on not having produced what was claimed in the first post...from there on for a few posts is a bit telling of that...

Post 106 you can take how you wish, personally I feel like it might as well just be taken as admission of the thread being nothing but a lie, everyone is free to read into it however they wish...

And post 84 and a couple of posts of "the truth" after are a bit entertaining where the OP was proclaimed to have died.


cheers, and have a wonderful evening

[T&C Exotics]

I totally agree with your thinking, but a few important posts buried in that thread...

From post #56 on the OP was basically called out on not having produced what was claimed in the first post...from there on for a few posts is a bit telling of that...

Post 106 you can take how you wish, personally I feel like it might as well just be taken as admission of the thread being nothing but a lie, everyone is free to read into it however they wish...

And post 84 and a couple of posts of "the truth" after are a bit entertaining where the OP was proclaimed to have died.


cheers, and have a wonderful evening

If you read the entirety of that thread you would see that I had come clean on what I did. I admitted my wrong doings.

[rascal_rascal_99]

Oh I've read the entire thread previously, it only took me a few minutes of skimming back through it to find what I thought were telling posts of the entire thread for people to read, before they read post #1 and took it as factual and gave up on reading further. The "coming clean admission of wrong doing" post was #106 that I mentioned even...although everyone is obviously free to think on their own and make up their own minds about how much of even that post to believe or not to believe.

[Alicia]

I hope you're recessives are females or you have virgin females that's dedicated just for that recessive male.

This is a good point and also brings up something I thought of reading this thread:

I ended up with an 8 egg retained sperm clutch this year that I didn't plan on. I didn't intend on having babies at all this year and planned on just a single clutch of pieds next year. Instead, I have 4 pastels, 2 black pewters, and a normal. And the pastels are not that great -- which was why I didn't repeat the original pairing. Am I looking forward to trying to place them? No. No I'm not.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

I totally agree with your thinking, but a few important posts buried in that thread...

From post #56 on the OP was basically called out on not having produced what was claimed in the first post...from there on for a few posts is a bit telling of that...

Post 106 you can take how you wish, personally I feel like it might as well just be taken as admission of the thread being nothing but a lie, everyone is free to read into it however they wish...

And post 84 and a couple of posts of "the truth" after are a bit entertaining where the OP was proclaimed to have died.


cheers, and have a wonderful evening

I am very familiar with that thread (hence why I posted it) my point is the idea (not the actual fact) of breeding single gene morphs was not a problem at that time even if the market was already flood.

If people want to breed single genes that is not of anyone´s business and some people should not throw stones especially the OP

[T&C Exotics]

I started this thread to ask a question and vent a little. Did I vent to much? I guess I did. Just as everyone else is entitled to an opinion I am as well. If you do not agree with me that is perfectly fine. But I guess not everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

As to anything bringing up the other thread.... That has taken this thread very much off topic. I know what I have done wrong and have even admitted it openly. It is not the job of anyone else to believe me, it is my job to prove it which I am working on doing. It is kind of hard to do considering I am not currently breeding. But when I do breed again I will be sure to provide every single bit of evidence to prove what I am doing. If that is not enough for someone.... Oh well then. If anyone here has an issue with me then please feel free to contact me directly.


Now could we please get back on topic?

[Marrissa]

I'll take a quality single gene morph over a poor example multigene morph any day. My first BP was a pinstripe and even not knowing what I was doing I think I chose well in terms of his color. He's almost 900g and while he certainly isn't as yellow as he was, he's more of a golden color and not brown. My clown female I chose for her slightly reduced appearance (I don't like overly reduced because I like the teardrops and occasional dots. I also like her brighter yellow). And last my leo female I adore. I like her wacky pattern. Pretty sure I'm still going to enjoy a good lesser, leo, clown, and so on on their own, even when I get to producing 2-4 gene animals. Slapping more genes on there doesn't really make it worth more if the ingredients aren't of quality. Now I don't plan on having a normal, except for those I will produce in the future when I miss on a combo, so all my pairings will be some morph to as least one other if not a two gene morph. That's just because I'm chasing certain combos and I'd like to avoid normals. I'll be just fine with single gene animals. I don't think there will ever not be a market for them. Not everyone can just buy the combo their after. Those single gene animals are the building blocks. I'm chasing axanthic fireflies. If I were to just buy that combo I would expect to drop about 7k. I don't have that nor am I willing to spend that much when I can buy the ingredients for around 2-3k. (my choice is pastel ax to fire ax).

[Kodieh]

Everyone is to blame if anyone wants to complain about this. That's really all there is to it.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk