Why so obsessed?

[KING JAMES]

If I make 100 single gene $50 dollar animals and make 1 just 1 snake that I absolutely LOOOOVE then it was worth it. Honestly if I make 100 free snakes and still get that one perfect snake I wanted it was worth it. I am still in the stage where I consider it a hobby and expect to lose cash though

[Emilio]

I believe many of us have adjusted our production and have made good plans but with that said every year more and more new hobbyists are producing their own babie's in turn saturating the market on SOME morphs.

Gotta take the good with the bad I guess.

[MS2]

I have a $50 Pastel female for sale and a Mojave female with a free male Pastel. Reason being, I was going for supers this year. 7 egg clutch yielded 1 Killerbee, 1 Super pastel, 3 bumblebees, and 2 Pastels. Keeping the supers, sold the bees ( with ease) and I have 1.1 pastels left. I have an easier time selling a normal.

The only reason I'm selling the female Pastel for $50 is because she is a low quality animal. I expect or even ask fair market prices for her.

I try to breed for high quality animals, but not all of them can be smokin' animals.

[Apple]

I understand the frustration that single gene animals are going cheaply - but at the same time, I feel that quality animals will still sell reasonably well. Take pastels as an example - I see ugly pastels get passed up on Facebook auctions pretty frequently, but today I saw a bid of $100 for a clean, pretty, MALE pastel. if I were breeding for nice pastels, he would have been a solid investment. I've even seen selectively bred STUNNING mojaves still sell for 500 or more. I'll be trying to avoid producing normals by including lots of recessives and supers in my tubs. At this point if you (in general 'you', not directed at anyone in particular) don't care about quality, you'll be the one struggling to sell your animals for $40.

[Blue Apple Herps]

A big part of it is odds are odds.

For example, this year I have a savannah (cinnamon mojave) x pewter pairing I'm hoping will give me eggs. I want a super cinnamon mojave, and a super cinnamon pastave would be that much better!! But I know that I'll also probably get a normal and some single gene animals. Unfortunatley many of these single gene animals and normals are by products of other projects. Heck, I could have horrific odds and get 100% normals from breeding 2 co-dom animals together.

I agree that people do need to be responsible with their breeding and avoid breeding for the sake of breeding, but plenty of responsible breeders produce lots of animals that they don't want or don't have room for.

I personally think a lot of people complaining expected to be able to turn a quick profit when they bought their hatchlings a few years ago and are now bitter because prices have come down. You can't make quick money in this hobby. It takes work, dedication, planning, and a bit of luck.

[Crazymonkee]

A big part of it is odds are odds.

For example, this year I have a savannah (cinnamon mojave) x pewter pairing I'm hoping will give me eggs. I want a super cinnamon mojave, and a super cinnamon pastave would be that much better!! But I know that I'll also probably get a normal and some single gene animals. Unfortunatley many of these single gene animals and normals are by products of other projects. Heck, I could have horrific odds and get 100% normals from breeding 2 co-dom animals together.

I agree that people do need to be responsible with their breeding and avoid breeding for the sake of breeding, but plenty of responsible breeders produce lots of animals that they don't want or don't have room for.

I personally think a lot of people complaining expected to be able to turn a quick profit when they bought their hatchlings a few years ago and are now bitter because prices have come down. You can't make quick money in this hobby. It takes work, dedication, planning, and a bit of luck.

Well said

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[Stewart_Reptiles]

That's right how dare do people breed those single gene animals and flood the market http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...=1#post1919662

I don't shoot for single gene but they do happen as a result of breeding multiple genes animals and even if people are shooting for single gene animal why does it matter to YOU and who are YOU to tell people to cut back on their production?

[T&C Exotics]

A big part of it is odds are odds.

For example, this year I have a savannah (cinnamon mojave) x pewter pairing I'm hoping will give me eggs. I want a super cinnamon mojave, and a super cinnamon pastave would be that much better!! But I know that I'll also probably get a normal and some single gene animals. Unfortunatley many of these single gene animals and normals are by products of other projects. Heck, I could have horrific odds and get 100% normals from breeding 2 co-dom animals together.

I agree that people do need to be responsible with their breeding and avoid breeding for the sake of breeding, but plenty of responsible breeders produce lots of animals that they don't want or don't have room for.

I personally think a lot of people complaining expected to be able to turn a quick profit when they bought their hatchlings a few years ago and are now bitter because prices have come down. You can't make quick money in this hobby. It takes work, dedication, planning, and a bit of luck.

I completely agree with what you said here and that is understandable. I completely understand missing the odds and having the by product animals. What I find overly irritating is someone just breaking in and buying 3 pastel males and a bunch of normals and just breeding to breed. That is pure irresponsibility and not just from a standpoint for the industry but for the animals themselves.

A great example of this is a guy I know who opened a pet shop and wanted to stand out. So he purchased a bunch of WC adult females and pastel males and attempted to breed. He got a bunch of normals and pastels and then could not sell a single one because of the market prices and what he had them marked at. So he then discounted them and lied to people about the genetics and so on and so on and then ended up creating a lot of people who purchased the animals who were breeding them and creating the same thing over again when they tried to sell them. It is a downward spiral after that. Luckily he is now out of business but he did create a bunch of people who had high hopes of making money and ended up with nothing in the end. Should they have done their research? Yes. But not everyone will.

[don15681]

I understand the frustration that single gene animals are going cheaply - but at the same time, I feel that quality animals will still sell reasonably well. Take pastels as an example - I see ugly pastels get passed up on Facebook auctions pretty frequently, but today I saw a bid of $100 for a clean, pretty, MALE pastel. if I were breeding for nice pastels, he would have been a solid investment. I've even seen selectively bred STUNNING mojaves still sell for 500 or more. I'll be trying to avoid producing normals by including lots of recessives and supers in my tubs. At this point if you (in general 'you', not directed at anyone in particular) don't care about quality, you'll be the one struggling to sell your animals for $40.

I hope you're recessives are females or you have virgin females that's dedicated just for that recessive male.

[Apple]

I hope you're recessives are females or you have virgin females that's dedicated just for that recessive male.

Yep. I'm starting with mostly hatchlings and plan to be working on specific projects for a while.