BHB gives info on some scaleless concerns

[zeion97]

The scaleless was amazing to hold none the less. I saw no problem with it.. It moved like any of my other BP's just felt...weird. We just have to wait and see what the future holds.

[Shera]

I am wondering a little about the heat pits too. I read that the pit organs act a lot like a pinhole camera, and that the snake's visual and IR maps are "overlaid in the optic tectum". If you remove the actual "pit", the heat sensing may still be there, but how will it be perceived and overlay optically? I really don't know enough about it to be the judge really, but I'm curious.

[zach_24_90]

You guys do realize Brian is not the first one to produce a scaleless ball right? Eugene Bessette did it years ago.

[Kodieh]

You guys do realize Brian is not the first one to produce a scaleless ball right? Eugene Bessette did it years ago.

Weren't those random, and weren't proven out? I believe the hype is that Brians are genetic scaleless.

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[zach_24_90]

Knowing Eugene I can assure you they were not random lol from what I hear he and Brian have been having some very "friendly" conversations on this topic as of late.

[OhhWatALoser]

It can technically be labeled as heterozygous for scaleless too. Like how pastel is Het for homozygous super pastel.....

Visual 'recessives' like Het clowns/pieds aren't called co-dom. Yet they show 'codom' traits.

Its all little technicalities.
And BP genetic labels are already inaccurate enough. Co-dominance isn't even the correct term either. Its incomplete dominance. Similar, but not the same......


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yeah, incomplete dominant is the more accurate term.

anyway, not recessive. its much too obvious for that. i mean, its missing scales right in the middle of the head.

So you mean incomplete dominant...

I believe you are all wrong, it IS co-dominant not inc-dom.

see my thread for explanation: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...e-Co-Dom-morph


on topic, why are the heat pits still brought up? The thing eats, why are the heat pits an issue?

[zach_24_90]

on topic, why are the heat pits still brought up? The thing eats, why are the heat pits an issue?

Haha right? If it eats what does it matter? They aren't in the wild in Africa... They are in a tub in a rack. It gets hand fed it doesn't have to fight for survival.

[Buttons]

Now thats what i call spam



more or less confirmed. first there were rumours, it leaked on facebook and elsewhere, then Brian Barczyk mentioned in an interview just days later that he very recently sold a small group of BPs for 210000 dollars. and the rumours were that Mike Wilbanks purchased 3 scaleless heads for something like 60000 or 70000 each. fits nicely. even for BHB, selling a small group of BPs for 210000 dollars should be kinda rare.

So it's rumour and you're just spreading it more. Haha

[Shera]

Haha right? If it eats what does it matter? They aren't in the wild in Africa... They are in a tub in a rack. It gets hand fed it doesn't have to fight for survival.

I do get that, it's not like it's going to compromise it's ability to survive in captivity, but I do believe they rely on their pits as a very important way in which they perceive the world. It's not usually a respectable practice to breed other types of animal with known problems (deaf, blind etc), even if they do just fine in captivity. I suppose it's more of a moral issue than anything else, but one that should probably be addressed. I don't know where I stand on it, both because I haven't really given it a lot of thought, and also I am not really sure how the lack of actual pits changes the way the perceive things, or if it really has an impact, but given the pin-hole camera analogy, I would assume it does. I know many snakes do not have IR sensing pits, but those that do have evolved to come to rely on them. Not all mammals have colour vision but I certainly wouldn't want to give mine up.

Again, I'm not saying I have an issue with it, but to just say "If it eats what does it matter?" seems rather dismissive, is all.

[OhhWatALoser]

I do get that, it's not like it's going to compromise it's ability to survive in captivity, but I do believe they rely on their pits as a very important way in which they perceive the world. It's not usually a respectable practice to breed other types of animal with known problems (deaf, blind etc), even if they do just fine in captivity. I suppose it's more of a moral issue than anything else, but one that should probably be addressed. I don't know where I stand on it, both because I haven't really given it a lot of thought, and also I am not really sure how the lack of actual pits changes the way the perceive things, or if it really has an impact, but given the pin-hole camera analogy, I would assume it does. I know many snakes do not have IR sensing pits, but those that do have evolved to come to rely on them. Not all mammals have colour vision but I certainly wouldn't want to give mine up.

Again, I'm not saying I have an issue with it, but to just say "If it eats what does it matter?" seems rather dismissive, is all.

Before bhb let some info out, all people had to say is it couldn't find food because it didn't have heat pits and the other big issue was no belly scales so it couldn't move.

obviously it can move and it is eating, so what issues are left with the heat pits? its not being dismissive, its a question.

Also I am color blind and I do just fine (btw does not mean i see in black and white)