Crazy genetic question but I think it works

[Pythonfriend]

i guess you can find them, because panda pieds are quite fancy and popular.


but if panda pieds are the goal, you dont need cinnamon. just search for black pastel het pied. or maybe a female black pastel het pied and a male black pastel piebald. It may be costly to get this stuff, but im sure they are to be found on the market. i dont know much about pricing.

super cinnamon is dark brown, super black pastel is more black, and cinnamon black pastel is somewhere in between. and all of these have the same genetic issues, combining cinnamon and black pastel doesnt help against the duckbill, unfortunately. So, no need for cinnamon, and a nicer black color when you just stick to black pastel.

and yes, "het" always comes in front of the recessive morph.

[Kodieh]

If I were you, I'd go with two het pied black pastels. The super cinnamon (while my favorite codom gene) is a nice thought, it's Hershey chocolate brown. Black pastels are...black. So, what you're wanting is black pastels.

I supposed a cow pied could be cool, a white snake with brown blotches.

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[Scirlygirl]

Thats true, they probably will be expensive. Piebalds are just really expensive so I figured hets would be cheaper. I might just buy two hets and make my own piebalds and go from there but thats a like a 6+ year breeding project to get where I want to go but I guess I have to start somewhere or find another job just for ball python founds. I mean not everyone has 700+ to drop on one snake. Its not very realistic. I'll have to shop around before I make any solid decisions. Thanks guys!

[The Serpent Merchant]

Thats true, they probably will be expensive. Piebalds are just really expensive so I figured hets would be cheaper. I might just buy two hets and make my own piebalds and go from there but thats a like a 6+ year breeding project to get where I want to go but I guess I have to start somewhere or find another job just for ball python founds. I mean not everyone has 700+ to drop on one snake. Its not very realistic. I'll have to shop around before I make any solid decisions. Thanks guys!

Pieds have dropped in price some, Justin Kobylka has a male listed for $450 currently. Still not cheap, but I remember when they were over $1,000 and hets were $400-$500

[CD CONSTRICTORS]

The Panda Pied is certainly an interesting project.

Problem is that I believe there are real genetic issues with the morph. To my knowledge there have only been a few even produced. Kinda strange for the 25% odds breeding a Black Pastel Pied pair.....

I heard the first produced died a few years later and Colin Weaver produced one last year which I have no idea what happened to. He had it listed for $16K and it is no longer on his website.

Anyone else know of any produced??

[OhhWatALoser]

but since you cannot differentiate between het pied and the ones that are not het pied, apart from the pieds, you get:

18.75% = 3/16 8 ball 66% possible het pied
18.75% = 3/16 cinnamon 66% possible het pied
18.75% = 3/16 black pastel 66% possible het pied
18.75% = 3/16 normal 66% possible het pied

Just a head up the calc can do that part also:

Male:	Cinnamon, Het Piebald
Female:	Black Pastel, Het Piebald
Percent	Fraction	Traits
6.25%	1/16	Piebald, 8 Ball
6.25%	1/16	Piebald, Cinnamon
6.25%	1/16	Piebald, Black Pastel
6.25%	1/16	Piebald
18.75%	3/16	8 Ball, 66% Possible Het Piebald
18.75%	3/16	Cinnamon, 66% Possible Het Piebald
18.75%	3/16	Black Pastel, 66% Possible Het Piebald
18.75%	3/16	66% Possible Het Piebald
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Ah gotcha, didn't know there was a creation placement. Now that we are all on the same page, do you guys think its a good idea to breed the two? I would like to find a breeder that may have them? I know its probably not too common, and any idea how much these het might cost?

also along the same lines, people usually list all the dom,co-dom,visuals before listing the hets. Obviously you could be understood saying het piebald black pastel, but usually people would say black pastel het pied. Now you are a ball python lingo pro

[grcforce327]

Hey y'all

If I were to breed 100% piebald het cinnamon

Not such thing as a het cinnamon. You don't need to say 100% piebald either. All piebalds are 100%.

[Scirlygirl]

Not such thing as a het cinnamon. You don't need to say 100% piebald either. All piebalds are 100%.

I already established that mistake, I had no idea there was certain word placement.