Citrus Killer Bee x pastel Enchi

[jakedierr]

What's up everybody. I had a question about breeding a citrus killerbee to a regular pastel enchi. Will all of the pastel offspring be citrus? Or will I get a mix of regular pastel and citrus? It just dawned on me that I'm not using two citrus pastels. Please let me know thanks.

[Pythonfriend]

you will get a mix.

50% of the offspring will get one copy of pastel; these will all have the citrus pastel.

50% will be super pastels, and these will all be mixed, normal pastel and citrus pastel.

but it wouldnt bother me since its the same gene anyway, citrus pastel is just line-bred to be cleaner.

[MrLang]

How do you have a killerbee and pastel enchi and not know how basic genetics work? I'm not saying this to be rude - I'm honestly wondering your progression through the hobby from intro owner to asking the question in the OP. It's somewhat eye opening to me to realize how different others' experiences in this hobby can be.

Punnet squares - they teach you them in high school biology. Is that a meaningless phrase?

[Coopers Constrictors]

citrus pastel is just line-bred to be cleaner.

Sorry to break it to you, but you are 100% incorrect. Citrus Pastel is completely different from ANY other line of pastel. This has been proven for many, many years now.

Anyways...

OP... you will also produce Whiteouts from the Citrus Killerbee, if he actually does have Citrus in him. 50% of the Citrus Pastels and combos should be Whiteouts.

[Pythonfriend]

Sorry to break it to you, but you are 100% incorrect. Citrus Pastel is completely different from ANY other line of pastel. This has been proven for many, many years now.

Anyways...

OP... you will also produce Whiteouts from the Citrus Killerbee, if he actually does have Citrus in him. 50% of the Citrus Pastels and combos should be Whiteouts.

oh, really? i thought it was just another redundant name for nice line-bred pastels. good to know. so a 4-gene super citrus + super pastel would be possible? or are they allelic?

[Coopers Constrictors]

From a mixed line of Super (i.e. Citrus Pastel x Grazi Pastel) yes... you would get half Citrus and half Grazi. Half of the Citrus will be Whiteouts... which makes things even more fun.

[BHReptiles]

Can you explain the whiteout gene to me? I'm not trying to be a butt, but this is new to me. I've got a citrus firefly and his citrus pastel sister and I too thought they were the same as regular pastels. I've just never worked with the gene until now.

[jakedierr]

Okay thanks just wondering... And Mr. Lang you did come off rude. Don't worry about it. I like positive feedback. Mind your own experience.

[jakedierr]

Your comment came off very rude man. You need to mind your own business. This is supposed to be a positive website. With you being negative is not going to help anyone out. Yes I know how to use punnent squares. I usually use genetic wizard but it said that all the pastel offspring would come out citrus. I was just confirming and checking with the community.. You come off as a smart ass and nobody likes that... Maybe you can learn from this since your so smart. If somebody asks you a simple question. You give them a simple answer. You don't need to questions someone's intelligence just because you feel the need to reassure yourself that you are indeed smart. Just because I went out and bought some expensive morphs to start out, doesn't mean that you have to get jealous and assume everybody knows everything about the citrus gene.... I looks like other people are confused about it too judging by this thread. So just some food for thought.. I might have another question and I wouldn't want you to be rude to me again. So thanks Lang for your response. I don't think it helped out with the original question, but it definitely gave me the energy to write this... Peace Man

[TheSnakeEye]

From a mixed line of Super (i.e. Citrus Pastel x Grazi Pastel) yes... you would get half Citrus and half Grazi. Half of the Citrus will be Whiteouts... which makes things even more fun.

Sorry to break it to you, but that is false. The Citrus Pastel (as well as every other line of Pastel) is a line bred Pastel gene from that specific breeder. If you bred a Citrus Pastel to a Graziani Pastel, half would not be Grazi Pastel and the other half would be Citrus Pastel. You'd be mixing the both, which at that both, would not produce citrus or graziani pastel from that point on.

So with the Citrus gene, Amir, the producer of this Pastel line, got in a Pastel from Africa and line bred it to produce his own line of Pastels. Which he called the Citrus Pastel. Now when breeding out his Citrus Pastel's he noticed something funky going on which he called the Whiteout gene. This, to my knowledge, is not attached to EVERY Citrus out there. So to say that every Citrus produces whiteouts, is false.

So to the OP, when you mix Pastel lines, regardless of what line, you end up with nothing more than Pastel's and cannot market them as individual Pastel lines. You could, however, state what lines of Pastel they were bred from, which may appeal to some customers. But even then, though babies, would NOT produce Citrus or *other line* Pastels. It would be a combination of the two, with influences from both lines.