Scale-less BP photo!

[Kodieh]

This isn't a moral high horse issue. It's you getting butthurt over a snake that isn't yours, hearing facts that you can't argue, and fishing in the abyss hoping you catch something worth saying. So far you haven't come up with anything other than comments against the opponents, not the opposing view.

Personal jabs and name calling make you look childish. You need to at least have some ground to stand on before you go preaching.


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IT IS a moral high ground and you're opinion is moot in the end. You don't have to own it, you have an opinion on something completely unaffected you. Essentially, it's none of your business unless you make it. Which you're doing.

Basically, you're whining and it's nothing that concerns you.

Oh, and my argument against yours is. Who cares? It's a mutation, and you don't have to have anything to do with it. It's as simple as that.

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[TheSnakeGeek]

Fun fact: Spider, Woma, Hidden Gene Woma, Champagne, Spotnose, Sable, Champagne, Desert, Caramel Albino, Cinnamon, Black Pastel, Lesser Platinum, Butter, and Piedbald all can have issues beyond the color mutation, whether it be alone or when combined with other morphs.

sorry to derail the thread. lol i know the issues with all of these genes except for spotnose and piebald. what issues do they have?

on topic: i love it. the lack of scales really ramps up the clarity. crisp contrast. it's gonna make combos look ridiculous.

if you don't like it, don't work with them. i think people in the hobby forget that "morph" is a slang word we use for a genetic MUTATION. all the "pretty" colors we work with are already by definition MUTANTS, and most of them would stick out like a sore thumb in the wild. so the whole "it wouldn't survive in the wild" argument is kind of irrelevant. these animals AREN'T in the wild, so why would it be?

[PitOnTheProwl]

Kodeih and Expensive hobby
You each have an opinion but your constant bickering here needs to STOP.
I thought I made myself clear in my last post and was trying not to call anyone out but evidently I need to be crystal clear now.

[Surrealle]

IT IS a moral high ground and you're opinion is moot in the end. You don't have to own it, you have an opinion on something completely unaffected you. Essentially, it's none of your business unless you make it. Which you're doing.

Basically, you're whining and it's nothing that concerns you.

Oh, and my argument against yours is. Who cares? It's a mutation, and you don't have to have anything to do with it. It's as simple as that.

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I think there are two types of people who are "disagreeing" with this snake. Those that don't like how it looks (in which case, yes, fine, they don't have to own it). And those that are worried about its health and safety, long-term. That's what animal lovers do, and they have every right to be concerned. As of right now, we don't know enough yet to judge whether this snake will live and thrive in captivity, but it's a concern that can and should affect someone that loves animals. Breeding an animal that will suffer or die prematurely (IF that ends up being the case) simply for money or because it looks good is completely immoral, IMO.

[Kodieh]

I'm

Kodeih and Expensive hobby
You each have an opinion but your constant bickering here needs to STOP.
I thought I made myself clear in my last post and was trying not to call anyone out but evidently I need to be crystal clear now.

If we're not allowed to discuss this, why leave the thread open?

Would it upset more of you to know that a pair of this gene has already sold for as little as $100,000? I'm going to find out the exact number hopefully next weekend, I'll keep you guys posted.
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[OhhWatALoser]

I assumed if people lacked on cleaning, them laying in their own waste would cause harm to their skin. But if what you say is true, than I stand corrected. Ty

I'm pretty sure that would cause issues, but its not quite the same as scale rot. I'm pretty sure harm could come scales or not though.

sorry to derail the thread. lol i know the issues with all of these genes except for spotnose and piebald. what issues do they have?

Super Spotnose (Powerball) have a wobble and Piebald Lesser can have undersized eyes.

Would it upset more of you to know that a pair of this gene has already sold for as little as $100,000?

rumor is 210,000

and how does the price have anything to do with the discussion at all? no it does not upset me or even having anything to do with my opinion or mood at all.

[TheSnakeGeek]

Super Spotnose (Powerball) have a wobble and Piebald Lesser can have undersized eyes.

now that you mention it, i do remember hearing about the piebald lesser. had no clue about the powerball though.

[Kodieh]

and how does the price have anything to do with the discussion at all? no it does not upset me or even having anything to do with my opinion or mood at all.

Well, "as an animal lover" the propagation of thus abomination...

Nah, I'm done.

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[Buttons]

Maybe I missed a page or a picture but ..... where is everyone getting the idea that it doesn't have belly scales?

[DavidMundy]

I think the scaless is amazing and I cant wait to see what it looks like with other genes added on. I'm sure Brian will inform everyone IF there are any health issues with it. He is a great guy and loves the animals he works with.

On a side note though. How did the picture actually leak? It seems to me that Brian was not happy about this at all. I know I would be pretty pissed off as well...whoever did it may of done it with the right intentions but to me it is still stealing and is wrong.