Shedding in rack

[Badgemash]

Well said Satomi. I agree with Mike though, when I see condensation, it's because one of them has left a nice warm poop in there for me to clean (which seems to also make it warmer than the surrounding air, thus the condensation). Or even better, pooped in their water bowl (looking at you Little Dude!).

[Neal]

very true! and who cares if you get condensation...I want condensation in my racks. condensation is only a bad thing when it starts to cause mold on something...and racks rarely get mold unless you are using something like different woods that will mold. I love to see condensation, as long as the enclosure is not wet and stagnant...I love to see it.

You should definitely get some knowledge before you start saying things that you know nothing about. Condensation is most cases is a sure sign your humidity is higher than it should be and I'm talking about past the 70's. There are numerous things that can go wrong because of this.

EDIT:
I'm not saying always because as others have pointed out it could be because of the bathroom.

[Neal]

So I have moved to a rack system. I used to have one ball in a cage that was heated with a CHE and used cypress mulch for substrate.

Now I have a rack and use paper towel as substrate. Cypress was just too humid. I was at 100%.

Now my humidity is always 50-65% and 70-80 during shed. I used to have perfect sheds with the cage and now I getting poor sheds in a rack that holds humidity better!? This is boggling mind. This last she'd wasn't bad but still I'm pieces and a couple patches stuck on.

Any thoughts? My temps are 78-90 and all humidity and temp readings are checked with multiple instruments to eliminate the possibility of false reading.

Any thoughts?


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I'm thinking of a possible reason but before I say anything can I see a picture of the tub, with everything in it? That way I can rule out what I'm thinking.

[whispersinmyhead]

What are you using go measure humidity?

I using indoor/outdoor hygrometers. I have 6 of them. One for each tub but also used a couple in the tub at the same time to make sure they were close. Temps are really close if not exact and humidity is within 5% of each other. I like these so I can keep am eye on ambient temps.

I use a temp gun to check surface temps.


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[whispersinmyhead]

I'm thinking of a possible reason but before I say anything can I see a picture of the tub, with everything in it? That way I can rule out what I'm thinking.

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[whispersinmyhead]

I guess I should point out that I have ha. A couple perfect sheds but also a couple that great. Not terrible but in pieces and a few stuck pieces left on. One stuck eye cap which I removed by soaking.

My old cage was a 4'x2'x2'. Cypress worked well for holding the humidity. I can't use cypress in the tubs because it is just too humid. Aspen was ok but I think the paper is best.

Like many have said I need to adjust things obviously. It close but just want to fine tune my setup. I really appreciate all the advise. I really like the crumpled news paper idea. Also I have been spraying my other girl who is in shed every day. Next time I will try the crumpled moist news paper and see if that helps.

The nit change between my old setup and the new one is the substrate because all the humidity and temps are the same. It is easier to hold the humidity as well in the tubs. But the substrate is bone dry so may be the snake isn't absorbing moisture and needs that help from misting and/or crumpled news paper.

Thanks again everyone. As usual friendly advise.


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[grcforce327]

I love cleaning a dirty tub

I have 100+,when are you available?

[rickm]

I hate seeing condensation. That usually means they pissed and/or crapped all over. Don't get me wrong, i love cleaning a dirty tub just as much as the next keeper, but i prefer clean ones.

only if your humidity is too low in the beginning. I have some condensation in all of my tubs within about two hours after cleaning my tubs. condensation is caused by humidity. after keeping for over 26 years, I have yet to see condensation cause any negative affects. don't get me wrong, you don't want your enclosures wet, but I don't see how you get your humidity anywhere near 70 percent without a little condensation. I have seen so many people who cannot get their ball pythons to eat with too low of a humidity. also, the ONLY time that condensation or humidity are going to cause any respiratory infections, are when the temperatures are too low. I got a 'reputation warning' for giving 'bad advice' by saying that condensation is okay...and after almost thirty years of keeping many different species, I have never...NOT ONE TIME seen condensation cause any issues. so who ever wants to pass out 'reputation warnings' needs to KNOW what they are talking about before giving a warning on something that is NOT BAD ADVISE. THE ONLY TIME condensation is bad, is when there is too much humidity or the temps are too cold. other than that, it is NOT an issue. I have takin in balls that would not eat, and after a few days in my 'bad conditions' they were eating like champs...so maybe I do know what I am talking about

[rickm]

Im not aiming this at anyone. Just in general..There can be humidity without condensation.Condensation usually just means the outside room temp is significantly colder than inside the tub. Like condensation on your house windows in the winter. Or your cold drink in room temp. It means that water has turned from gas to liquid, which is too much moisture for a ball python in my personal opinion. Or as mike said, they peed/pood.Anyway, as long as there is no standing moisture on the substrate or on the enclosure sides, its OK. But I personally hate seeing condensation. You can remedy condensation by warming up the room to match the enclosure. Or vice versa. As well as have more air circulation in the room. I do like the newspaper idea. Its similar to the moss in a humid hide method.Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

[rickm]

You should definitely get some knowledge before you start saying things that you know nothing about. Condensation is most cases is a sure sign your humidity is higher than it should be and I'm talking about past the 70's. There are numerous things that can go wrong because of this.

EDIT:
I'm not saying always because as others have pointed out it could be because of the bathroom.

lmao, 'get some knowledge'...that is funny neal, I have been keeping probably longer than you have been alive. who knows maybe not, but I have helped zoos, and also helped some pretty experienced breeders. I bred green tree pythons when I was seventeen, when at the time most people could not even keep them alive, so I suggest you know a little about somebody before running your mouth...at least being a keyboard cowboy like so many others. I know what I know from many years of keeping reptiles and some of them very difficult species. I would never put information out that that is knowingly incorrect or that would cause someone to wrongly set their animals up. I know that I have never had an issue with ball pythons by having a little condensation. I also know that the three newest rivals were previously never on frozen thawed rodents, and would not even look twice at them...but after a week of settling into my set ups, they all three took frozen thawed for me every time I have offered, within seconds of being introduced...so I must have 'some knowledge'. and I remember less than two days ago you told someone "NOT to use ground coconut fiber for ball pythons because it was bad"....so maybe you are the one who should attain a little knowledge.....just sayin