Low white or Ringer?

[satomi325]

Could my super pastel het pied have a ringer simply because he's het pied? Or can random morphs have them? And I know 100% that he's het pied.

Other than het Pieds, some regular fire and champagne gene stuff tend to throw ringers as well.

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[meowmeowkazoo]

That is a low white pied. Here is my extreme ringer leopard by comparison:







Notice how your pied has a white belly, where Spot has a yellow belly with white where the ringer is. Also your pied has a very blurry watercolored pattern, where Spot's pattern is more defined and crisp.

[loonunit]

Can you unwind him and take another top/side picture, so we can see the areas PiedPeddler considers normal pattern wrapping around?

He's definitely not a het, and I'm pretty doubtful on either chimera or paradox. I'm up to my neck in low-whites, and he looks like a pretty straightforward low-white pied to me.

[PiedPeddler]

Here are some pictures of him as a hatchling.

[PiedPeddler]

Can you unwind him and take another top/side picture, so we can see the areas PiedPeddler considers normal pattern wrapping around?

He's definitely not a het, and I'm pretty doubtful on either chimera or paradox. I'm up to my neck in low-whites, and he looks like a pretty straightforward low-white pied to me.

I was uploading the pictures when you posted this. There are 2 sections of his body where his pattern goes all the way to his belly scales. In those sections, he has alien-head pattern on his sides. We've hatched more than our share of low whites over the years and with our diverse breedstock, we have seen huge variations in their appearances. He very well could be a full-blooded low white Pied, but if so it is the first one I've ever seen with distinct sections of alien heads and pattern all the way to it's belly scales. Therefore I believe that it may be a paradox (chimera). I made my customer aware of the concern in 2010 and sold it at a discount. If someone breeds it to a visual Pied and get any hets at all, I do not want to be accused of misrepresenting anything or withholding information.

Paul

[KingPythons]

Is Ringer a new morph ???????????


All I see is an awesome low white PIED

[OhhWatALoser]

Is Ringer a new morph ???????????


All I see is an awesome low white PIED

Its a trait that some morphs tend to throw more than others, cinny/bp and pied it seems to happen the most. Not a morph though, but then Dave Green has some crazy stuff that is genetic, but its not quite the same, it throws a ridiculous amount of white compared to your average ringer.

[KingPythons]

Oh I know I just thought there was a morph I was missing lol

[loonunit]

Yeah, okay, I see your point about the alien heads. I feel like I've seen no-white pieds on Pete Kahl's site that looked like that, but they're gone now.

The belly pics just convince me that he's pied, and the orange patches convince me that he's AWESOME. Well, I'm willing to buy paradox, but I'm thinking he'll prove out double-gene pied no problem.

[_Eric_]

Yeah, okay, I see your point about the alien heads. I feel like I've seen no-white pieds on Pete Kahl's site that looked like that, but they're gone now.

The belly pics just convince me that he's pied, and the orange patches convince me that he's AWESOME. Well, I'm willing to buy paradox, but I'm thinking he'll prove out double-gene pied no problem.

He is for sale pm me if youre interested.