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Bel x bel
Does anyone know if anyone has attempted crossing blue eyed leucistics with other blue eyed leucistics, in theory they would throw 100% BEL offspring correct? It's a project I'm considering, and was just wondering if success has been had with this cross.
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I'm sure it has been done but I personally would only do it if it was certain BEL combos. Like a Mojave x Lesser BEL to a Super Mojave BEL, that way you will be able to tell which ones are Super Mojaves and Mojave x Lessers. Doing a pairing like Mojave x Lesser to Mojave x Lesser, you wouldn't be able to tell which ones are the Super Lessers and which are the Mojave x Lesser BELs.
Ball Pythons(1)
1.0 Black Butter - Maple
0.1 Cinny - Spicy
0.1 Pastel Calico - Sage
0.1 Enchi - Willow
0.2 Pastel - Sarena, Claudia
0.1 Pinstripe Spotnose -Eve
0.1 Pastel Pied - Trinity
0.1 Lavender Albino - Zoe
0.1 Ivory - Flare
0.1 Spider - Medusa |
Ball Pythons(2)
0.1 Pastel Het Hypo -
0.1 Pastel YB - Kallisto
0.1 Lesser Bee - Kaede
0.1 Mystic Fire - Gabi
0.1 Calico -
1.0 SuperStripe -
1.0 BEL -
0.3 Mojaves -
0.2 Lessers -
0.2 Normal - |
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Carpet Pythons
0.1 50% Diamond x 50% Jungle - Jimma
1.0 Coastal x Jungle - Java
1.0 Coastal Jaguar Ps Het Albino - Jag
1.0 Albino -
0.1 Zebra -
0.2 Red Coastals -
0.2 Red Coastal Jags -
0.1 Jag Chaos clutch -
0.1 JagSib Chaos clutch -
0.0.1 Tweener -
0.1 unknown Probable Coastal -
Retics
1.0 50% SD Amel - Pythagoras
0.2 50% SD Ps Het Amel - Bindy, Grey |
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One the other hand, I think it would be fun to mix it up a little. Like breeding a Karma (Lesser x Phantom) to a Mojave X White Diamond just to see if you actually could tell the difference between them.
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avoid the production of:
-super lesser
-super butter
-lesser butter
these often go blind.
Go for the not completely white BELs, like mystic potion. Or make very white BELs using only one copy of lesser/butter.
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Bel x bel
 Originally Posted by Pythonfriend
avoid the production of:
-super lesser
-super butter
-lesser butter
these often go blind.
Go for the not completely white BELs, like mystic potion. Or make very white BELs using only one copy of lesser/butter.
Erm..
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0.1 Dog (Truffles)
0.1 Naked Cat (Mercedes)
1.0 Hamster (Pumpkin)
1.1 Bumblebees (Satyana & Weedle)
0.3 Normals (Shayla, Rita and Althea)
0.1 100% Het Pied Ringer (Avalon)
1.0 Pied (Monsieur Piederoff)
1.0 Lesser 100% Het Albino poss het OG (Tinersons)
0.1 Spider Albino (Ivy)
0.1 Mojave Cinnamon (Morticia)
1.1 Normal BCIs (Damon and Conga)
0.1 Crested Gecko (Natasha)
0.0.1 Rosehair Tarantula (Charlotte)
0.0.1 P.Metallica
0.0.1 A.Avicularia
0.0.2 P.Irminia
0.0.1 L.Parahybona
0.0.1 N.Coloratovillosus
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Re: Bel x bel
Originally Posted by Bobbafett
Erm..
With that i want to say they have genetic eye issues, and a certain percentage of them, definitively in the two-digit percentages, go blind. Blind ball pythons still can live a perfectly fine life, but its not something to aim for, or is it?
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Just bug-eyed, right?
On the topic of bug-eyed, are bug-eyes genetic? i.e. if I took a super lesser with bug eyes and bred it to a mojave, would the lesser, and lesser-mojave babies have bug eyes?
Females
0.1 wildtypes [Rosca]
0.1 pastave [Persephone]
0.1 mutt redtail boa [Serendipity]
0.1 false water cobra [Artemis]
0.1 white lipped python [Pandora]
0.1 super tiger retic [Callie]
0.1 leopard gecko [Adelita]
0.1 diamond dove [Pidgey]
0.1 hairless dumbo rat [Scarlett No Haira]
0.2 dumbo rex rat, fancy rat [Fern, Harley Quinn]
0.1 gerbil [Katrina]
0.1 mouse [Snow White]
0.1 cat + kittens [Mama Cat]
0.1 African Dwarf Frog [Zelda]
?? molly fish |
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1.0 fiancee [Patrick]
1.0 Argentine b&w tegu [Emrys]
1.0 hypo red bearded dragon [Zammy]
1.0 bumblebee [Zerok]
1.0 albino king snake [Dumbledore]
1.0 diamond dove [Julius]
1.0 dumbo rat [Ratrick Stewart]
1.0 gerbil [Sven]
1.0 betta fish [Casanova] |
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Re: Bel x bel
Originally Posted by DestinyLynette
Just bug-eyed, right?
On the topic of bug-eyed, are bug-eyes genetic? i.e. if I took a super lesser with bug eyes and bred it to a mojave, would the lesser, and lesser-mojave babies have bug eyes?
No, only super lesser, super butter, and lesser butter have the problem. Any snake with just one copy of the lesser/butter gene and with one other gene like mojave, mocha, special, mystic, phantom can be a perfectly healthy very white BEL.
And i mean, yes, its genetic, super lesser or super butter or butter lesser just harms the eyes, and they often turn blind, which is also why many believe lesser and butter to be two versions of the same thing, because even a lesser + butter BEL can get the eye problems.
Any snake with just one copy will be fine, so you can for example use a blind super lesser for breeding and produce only healthy BELs and combos with it, all offspring gets one copy and when its just one copy all is nice and fine and there are no problems and the eyes will be fine.
Its easy to work around it  So many genes in the BEL complex, its a minor issue really.
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If I were you, I'd breed Mojave x Lesser to Super Mojave. All BELs, no eye problems, a spice of variety, and an all-round beautiful clutch!
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i would breed super mojave enchi to a bunch of super mystic or super phantom females....... for stunning results
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