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[Bruceweb]

Quite the contrary, I'm highly skeptical of this.

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Thats entirely up to you..each to their own...Time will tell on this subject..Is their a need to ram your negative opinion down the throats of others simply as you are not prepared to keep an open mind...it isnt the first gene that has been considered infertile after all..but as I have allready said thats your opinion..I happen to disagree

Holidaying in Antigua..We had hail stones the size of golf balls..GO FIGURE

[Sandy_01]

I met the Family Reptiles folks at the Columbia Repticon this past weekend. They seem like very nice folks who are eager to share their learnings with the BP community, ONCE they have hatchlings thriving and have had a chance to collaborate with others in their situation to see what changes in methods seem most likely to have impacted their success so far. I also saw quite a few more pictures of their female on eggs, and don't doubt from those that she's a desert. Bear in mind that pics snapped while a female is laying are typically in horrible lighting with a shaky hand (I know I would be shaking if I just found that clutch!). I think we as a community can hold our collective breath for a few more weeks (or months, heaven forbid), and then all of our questions will be answered to the best of the OP's and other's abilities.

I second what Annarose15 said

My s.o. (Tim) and I were also at Columbia Repticon show this past weekend. We also had a rather long conversation with the Family Reptiles folks. They are great folks to talk to and to do business with.

[rabernet]

The bickering posts made today which have nothing to do with the subject of this thread have joined their brethren in the split thread in QT.

[MasonC2K]

Thanks Robin. People need to take the fighting elsewhere.

[LotsaBalls]

When are clutches due?

[grcforce327]

When are clutches due?

Read the thread!

[wolfy-hound]

Subscribing to the thread. I hope that the desert problem is figured out, even though it will mean the value of desert females will rise and I won't be as likely to find a female desert for inexpensive price for me to keep. I wanted a female to keep mostly as a pet(because they are beautiful) since everyone said they couldn't breed.

I can understand some people saying that maybe a snake in the pictures(various) might not be a desert, or doesn't look desert. But to say that you hope someone's pet dies just so you can be right? Poor form. Poor form indeed. That's not being a anti-sheeple, that's being a jerk. Hoping no deserts are produced, or hoping the eggs don't hatch, etc, fine. That's petty. But hoping an animal dies? Sorry.

And jumping on the bandwagon of "All desert females are sterile/die and should never be bred" isn't being a anti-sheeple, it's just being a different kind of sheeple. You're falling in with the main bulk of the hobby that assumed that was true, even though there had not been very much breeding of adult large desert females as of yet. Could that still be true? Of course. There's been some females that die egg bound. There's been more than slug out or fail to become gravid. That's not absolute proof that all desert genes are going to be nonviable. Experimenting to see what will work or what does not work is needed.

Some female pythons will die when bred. No matter if they're deserts, morphs, normals or new oddballs. It will happen. Anyone who breeds any female is taking a risk of losing the animal, even if it's a cow or a fish. Desert females MAY have a higher incidence of egg binding, so anyone who is taking the risk should be prepared for a vet bill if things go wrong. But every person on here who owns even one animal should be prepared for a vet bill if things go wrong, whether it's a breeding animal or not.

I wish the OP all the best, I hope all the clutches produced hatch healthy babies and better yet that some are deserts.

I'd have posted the viable clutch too. Why sit on that news?? No one suggests that other people with clutches sit on their news until the eggs hatch. He didn't say Hey I'm producing a clutch full of deserts! He said "My desert female produced viable eggs" which is a accomplishment in itself. Considering all the people who are quite willing to state as fact "All desert females die when bred", it's a good sign that some lay their viable eggs without any issues.

[Raven01]

I can't see this having a great effect on female prices unless the issue is determined to be solely a husbandry issue Wolfy.
If it can only cross with morphs that enlarge ovi-ducts that is very limiting and investment wise potentially costly until a list of "large ovi-duct morphs" is compiled.
Then there is the possibility that it is a different line of Deserts with either no shrinking of the ovi-ducts or that trait expressed to a lesser degree. That would drive up that lines female price over night but the rest would remain pet-quality animals only.
And if it is a line thing, even if I buy a snake from Amir I still wouldn't but a "breedable female Desert" from myself for more than pet quality. I just don't have the reputation to lose that he does. In 10 years time that might be different but, the big players will have a pretty steady monopoly on this morph until it is the only line available.

[bcr229]

Then there is the possibility that it is a different line of Deserts with either no shrinking of the ovi-ducts or that trait expressed to a lesser degree. That would drive up that lines female price over night but the rest would remain pet-quality animals only.

Or worse, you'll find scammers claiming that the desert females they're selling are from that line, when they know damned well they're not. Look at how many were selling false hets over the years.

[TheSnakeGeek]

Or worse, you'll find scammers claiming that the desert females they're selling are from that line, when they know damned well they're not. Look at how many were selling false hets over the years.

simple solution: request pictures of desert mom on eggs.