Bamboo!!!!

[Luciferskeeper]

Wow that bamboo is gorgeous!

[Coleslaw007]

Wow those are cool! I'm excited for them to come to the states.

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[Pythonfriend]

I guess here they come, the african breeders

About time

Seriously, keeping BPs is easier over there, combine that with facilities that move tens of thousands of hatchlings. Gems, like the first pinstripe, used to get sold for large sums into the 1st world. Now i guess they breed them, prove them out, get their world first, and then sell later on.

Correct me if im wrong.... But the only data i got so far is that this breeder is located in Ghana. Highly interesting, who will be the first outside africa to work with this gene? Oh and be sure they have morphs to do the basic combos right away, i know there are breeders in africa that have the base morphs and breed them. Really, its the next logical step, why sell extraordinarily awesome dinkers when you can prove it out first and sell a brand new morph? So many morphs have "first produced" thousands of kilometers away from the natural range of ball pythons, its about time the people that share their surroundings with wild BPs tap into it. Ghana is surrounded by the natural range of BPs. Its logical.

[youbeyouibei]

That bamboo has beautiful colors. I wonder if its compatible with the BEL complex? It has some resemblance to them.

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X2.i thought that as well. Almost a mojave pattern but waaaay cooler colors, flames and blushing. Be interesting to see what the super looks like, let alone if it is in the BEL complex.

[TessadasExotics]

I guess here they come, the african breeders

About time

Seriously, keeping BPs is easier over there, combine that with facilities that move tens of thousands of hatchlings. Gems, like the first pinstripe, used to get sold for large sums into the 1st world. Now i guess they breed them, prove them out, get their world first, and then sell later on.

Correct me if im wrong.... But the only data i got so far is that this breeder is located in Ghana. Highly interesting, who will be the first outside africa to work with this gene? Oh and be sure they have morphs to do the basic combos right away, i know there are breeders in africa that have the base morphs and breed them. Really, its the next logical step, why sell extraordinarily awesome dinkers when you can prove it out first and sell a brand new morph? So many morphs have "first produced" thousands of kilometers away from the natural range of ball pythons, its about time the people that share their surroundings with wild BPs tap into it. Ghana is surrounded by the natural range of BPs. Its logical.

Such a horrible thing. They have actially been doing for a few years now. The farmers figured out what the big breeders were doing. Making tons of money. They wanted part of the action. Now most of the stuff that looks unique is kept there in Africa and we dont get to get them.
Noah is a big guy in Africa. He is a major exporter and I believe, if I remember correctly, has something to do with exporting all ball pythons. I know he is responsible for a lot of stuff that comes in.

[Pythonfriend]

Such a horrible thing. They have actially been doing for a few years now. The farmers figured out what the big breeders were doing. Making tons of money. They wanted part of the action. Now most of the stuff that looks unique is kept there in Africa and we dont get to get them.
Noah is a big guy in Africa. He is a major exporter and I believe, if I remember correctly, has something to do with exporting all ball pythons. I know he is responsible for a lot of stuff that comes in.

Horrible? People will simply get it one or two generations later. Its really not that different from, for example, BHB keeping a lid on the sunset ball for a few years until they finally let go of a pair of hets for 50000 dollars or something.

Competition could get quite tough one day because in the natural range of BPs you can keep and breed them without need for thermostats, heating, or incubators. Thats quite an advantage, no electricity bills, also racks are much cheaper without the electronics.

[TessadasExotics]

The market is already crashing due to greed. You think it's going to get any better with the greed starting at the point of discovery/export? The ball python market is crashing, and it's crashing fast. The african farmers are helping it fall faster IMO.

[bfirecat]

The market is already crashing due to greed. You think it's going to get any better with the greed starting at the point of discovery/export? The ball python market is crashing, and it's crashing fast. The african farmers are helping it fall faster IMO.

I'm very curious to see why you're saying the market is crashing.

Edit: Actually, that might be better if started in a new thread, since this one is for admiring the Bamboo and Bongo!

[TessadasExotics]

It is crashing. It's getting harder and harder to move stuff. Prices are dropping on morphs faster now than before. The market is getting flooded with morphs. Most people don't see or know the amount of morphs that are out there. People have been mass producing animals to try and gain as much money as they possibly can before the price falls on them. This in turn hurts not only them, but us to. Anyone trying to get into breeding ball pythons to make money now is crazy. Look at Lavender albinos. Not a lot of people really working with them. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of people working with them, but not that many. Lavs have dropped in price over 66% in just the past year. I have seen them recently at an asking price of 900. That’s just the up front asking price, not the behind the scenes price. What most people see as the price on morphs is not what they go for.

[majorleaguereptiles]

It is crashing. It's getting harder and harder to move stuff. Prices are dropping on morphs faster now than before. The market is getting flooded with morphs. Most people don't see or know the amount of morphs that are out there. People have been mass producing animals to try and gain as much money as they possibly can before the price falls on them. This in turn hurts not only them, but us to. Anyone trying to get into breeding ball pythons to make money now is crazy. Look at Lavender albinos. Not a lot of people really working with them. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of people working with them, but not that many. Lavs have dropped in price over 66% in just the past year. I have seen them recently at an asking price of 900. That’s just the up front asking price, not the behind the scenes price. What most people see as the price on morphs is not what they go for.

Such a horrible thing. They have actially been doing for a few years now. The farmers figured out what the big breeders were doing. Making tons of money. They wanted part of the action. Now most of the stuff that looks unique is kept there in Africa and we dont get to get them.
Noah is a big guy in Africa. He is a major exporter and I believe, if I remember correctly, has something to do with exporting all ball pythons. I know he is responsible for a lot of stuff that comes in.

Come to San Diego and I'll show you stuff exporters aren't breeding. Tons of morphs come in that are untouched and amazing.

Oh, and the market isn't crashing. Lavenders are 13 years old... There are plenty of fabulous investments that will make you money. Breeding 10 year old morphs isn't a money maker. I still breed them, to new stuff.

Take the bamboo for example. If you invested 10k into a male bamboo, would you make money on it? How can you say that someone can't make money on BPs when you can? Easily.