How to clean your Ball Python tank 101 quick video by me :)

[kitedemon]

I liken the effect of mid use not the working methodology. Incorrect use of disinfectant create resistant bacteria ect much the same as incorrect use of antibiotics does.

Disinfectants are biocides and demand respect and correct use.

If you have data about disinfecting a heavily soiled surface with bleach I'd love to see it.


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[carlson]

I clean with fire, pure fire just few passes BAM! It's good as new all germs are dead dont worry bout it

[arialmt]

I clean with fire, pure fire just few passes BAM! It's good as new all germs are dead dont worry bout it

[mackynz]

I liken the effect of mid use not the working methodology. Incorrect use of disinfectant create resistant bacteria ect much the same as incorrect use of antibiotics does.

Disinfectants are biocides and demand respect and correct use.

If you have data about disinfecting a heavily soiled surface with bleach I'd love to see it.


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While I agree with resistant bacteria being a problem I don't think that's much of an issue in this case. The constant use of things like hand sanitizer is a major problem but I doubt this is much of one.

If you actually think about it there are very few "super bugs" out there and we have been globally abusing disinfectants and biocides since we discovered them. It's taken years and exposure of many times more bacteria than any of us can fathom to create these bugs. So the odds that this one person improperly cleaning a small colony of bacteria in their tank is going to inadvertently breed a super bug is astronomical.

Just because you read a scary EPA or CDC study doesn't mean you need to try to scare people cleaning their BPs tank. Why not put up signs near hand sanitizer dispensers, hand out pamphlets outside your doctor's office or visit farms in the area and ask them to stop dumping antibiotics into the cattle's water supply? You know something really useful.

Should OP be properly cleaning his tank? Yes. Is he going to breed a super bug by not doing it correctly? It's inconceivably unlikely.

Oh and since you're asking for data about bleach, I assume you will have no problem producing something showing that such a small colony of bacteria poses a threat when not properly exposed to bleach. I'll wait.

[Weegsta]

I'll say this and I will leave it alone because I am trying to help, not argue what "cleaner will properly clean" I made this video for the sole purpose of being a cheap inexpensive way to clean your tank. People will market anything they can make a dollar on. I'm sure other cleaners are fine to use and I would use them myself and nothing against them at all but bleach will take care of the problem 99% of the time. It is considered one of the powerful disinfectants. We can argue all day about bacteria building up resistance to bleach. Once again, THIS IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY. Why do bacteria build up resistance? Because antibiotics are made to attack the proteins and different parts of a cell, the bacteria forms memory from certain parts of the memory cell to block the certain isotopes the antibiotic is trying to bind to the cell wall of the bacteria with. Bleach isn't a antibiotic and DOES NOT function like one except for a few exceptions. It is a powerful disinfectant that kills germs differently than how antiseptics and antibiotics do. Can bacteria build up resistance to bleach? Yes I'm sure there is a few. A strain of black mold is one. But I do not have super bacteria in my tank.

Now I will say this. Did I clean my tank wrong? No, I don't think i did. Do you guys clean your tank wrong? No, I don't think you do. It is a matter of opinion. This method I use is absolutely fine, It gets the job done. It is obtuse and pointless to argue how bad of a job I did cleaning because I used bleach and not some super cleaner that is made for tanks. If bleach didn't work on most things they wouldn't sell a million gallons of it. My snake is healthy, My tank is clean, and I have had no problems. I mean all that with the most utmost respect for you guys that disagree with my method, to each is own. We all share a hobby, we love our balls, and it is nice we have a place to come and enjoy each others company at No hard feelings.

[kitedemon]

While I agree with resistant bacteria being a problem I don't think that's much of an issue in this case. The constant use of things like hand sanitizer is a major problem but I doubt this is much of one.

If you actually think about it there are very few "super bugs" out there and we have been globally abusing disinfectants and biocides since we discovered them. It's taken years and exposure of many times more bacteria than any of us can fathom to create these bugs. So the odds that this one person improperly cleaning a small colony of bacteria in their tank is going to inadvertently breed a super bug is astronomical.

Just because you read a scary EPA or CDC study doesn't mean you need to try to scare people cleaning their BPs tank. Why not put up signs near hand sanitizer dispensers, hand out pamphlets outside your doctor's office or visit farms in the area and ask them to stop dumping antibiotics into the cattle's water supply? You know something really useful.

Should OP be properly cleaning his tank? Yes. Is he going to breed a super bug by not doing it correctly? It's inconceivably unlikely.

Oh and since you're asking for data about bleach, I assume you will have no problem producing something showing that such a small colony of bacteria poses a threat when not properly exposed to bleach. I'll wait.

I did actually, a document that clearly says bleach full strength is rendered ineffective if the surface is not pre-cleaned. Why use bleach at all if it is doing nothing?

The point you all have missed is disinfecting dirty means you still have dirty. It DOES nothing at all.

The same for wipe out the same for CHD, CHG, F10sc, iodines, alcohols. None of them work on dirty.

Save your money and don't bother using disinfectants since they are being neutralized faster than they can do anything.






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[mackynz]

I did actually, a document that clearly says bleach full strength is rendered ineffective if the surface is not pre-cleaned. Why use bleach at all if it is doing nothing?

The point you all have missed is disinfecting dirty means you still have dirty. It DOES nothing at all.

You must not have read what I posted correctly, what I was asking for was the study concerning small colonies of bacteria turning into super bugs from improper bleach usage. I have not seen this study yet. If you are so concerned about these things I have to ask, do you wash your hands with soap? Do you brush your teeth? Use mouthwash? Heck, do you shower? If you do then you are contributing daily (hopefully) to the problem of developing super bugs and should maybe take a step back.

And I never disputed he cleaned it wrong. Disinfecting dirty does leave you with dirty, unless you wipe it down. Even still proper procedure should be to wipe down first.

[mackynz]

Oh I'm also wondering how you get your cages 100% clean as well. Following your method will still miss some bacteria. Unless you irradiate your tanks or have a really big autoclave you are just as guilty to contributing to the problem as the next person. But by all means if you have a really big autoclave (which by the way you have been acting here I'm sure you do) I would love to see some pictures. The one's we have at work aren't that big. Snap a few pics for me quick?

[kitedemon]

I don't use very weak mostly inactive disinfectants. Exposing bacteria to weak mostly in active chemical disinfectants allows them to survive and reproduce with higher resistance.

" Importantly, the study showed that when very small non-lethal amounts of disinfectant were added to the bacteria in culture, the adapted bacteria were more likely to survive compared to the non-adapted bacteria. Dr Gerard Fleming, who led the study, said: “In principle this means that residue from incorrectly diluted disinfectants left on hospital surfaces could promote the growth of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. What is more worrying is that bacteria seem to be able to adapt to resist antibiotics without even being exposed to them”.
http://www.nuigalway.ie/our-research...superbugs.html

http://www.education.nh.gov/instruct...infectants.pdf

The first demonstrated the issues of mids use of disinfectants the second demonstrates the fact that the way you have shown to use both bleach and ammonia compounds (wipeout) is not effective.

Is that enough? Or do you need more articles on mid use of disinfectants? There are lots.

The moral of the story is easy. Don't be lazy and wash first it is not hard it is just a little extra work.

Shall we take this moment to speak of saturation, and contact times?

What is the contact kill time for diluted bleach you should know this!



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[carlson]

Thanks for the bleach lessons can you give them with out sounding harsh?