Local breeder screwed over by neighbors!

[PiercingPrincess]

Reading through some of those comments actually makes me sick. Some people have too much hate and not enough understanding. He said it perfectly, the few bad people ruin it for the rest of us. I hope everything works out for him. :/

[wilomn]

The thing about 100% enforcement for all exotics and the fact that it simply can't be enforced, which you have now brought to NATIONAL attention, is that the easiest thing to do to bring everyone into compliance, is simply to ban ALL exotics. You're on the slippery slope now due to YOUR ignorance of the rules.

I'm pretty sure you're not a bad guy, but you are throwing everyone under the bus to save your ass. The more your harp on, paraphrasing,"don't just go after me, those guys have frogs and those guys have squirrels and those folks over there, they keep hedgehogs and none of them have permits, how come I have to just for my snakes..." the more ammunition you're giving to peta and hsus and everyone else who doesn't like reptiles or any other animals. You may well get your permit, but at what cost?

How did they find out about your snakes?

[tommyhil4_6]

The thing about 100% enforcement for all exotics and the fact that it simply can't be enforced, which you have now brought to NATIONAL attention, is that the easiest thing to do to bring everyone into compliance, is simply to ban ALL exotics. You're on the slippery slope now due to YOUR ignorance of the rules.

I'm pretty sure you're not a bad guy, but you are throwing everyone under the bus to save your ass. The more your harp on, paraphrasing,"don't just go after me, those guys have frogs and those guys have squirrels and those folks over there, they keep hedgehogs and none of them have permits, how come I have to just for my snakes..." the more ammunition you're giving to peta and hsus and everyone else who doesn't like reptiles or any other animals. You may well get your permit, but at what cost?

How did they find out about your snakes?

This is a city ordinance... Not a county or state. I live in a private city, that is funded privately by it's citizens. This ordinance has NO bearing to anyone other than people in Cottonwood Heights.

I washed BRAND NEW never used, ARS big boa bins ON MY PROPERTY in my front yard on my lawn. A SINGLE neighbor contacted ordinance saying I was "growing" something. Deeming myself a proper citizen, (which I guess as others have stated "got caught", otherwise it's okay to break laws apparently), I allowed the Ordinance police in, who in turn had animal control come... who in turn stated ON RECORD to the news media that my conditions are immaculate... I didn't know I was breaking a law, so I shot myself in the foot in essence. Had I known obviously I'd have requested they get a search warrant... but I did not know.

I bet you went and checked your ordinances right? Maybe if we show can comply to law, laws can be modified... which, is what will happen in this case. There are so many "interpretations", and what it comes down to is individual interpretation. The law must be clarified so we know we are not crossing boundaries.

I've been in contact with the councilman and they are willing to work through the hurdles to "modify" any specifics needed so we all come to a satisfactory conclusion.

Again, I meet all regulations deemed necessary to be granted my permit... technically... that's all I need... It's an un-enforceable law unless you get "caught", so we will work to modify the law to allow compliance without allowing risk to humans or animals. That mighty big Oak Tree starts with a little seed.... Time to grow the tree in to something greater.

I'm a positive dude, if you can't tell. I'm also a lawful citizen... If in my city I am being "selectively" punished... that is not law... that is discrimination. Just because they can, does not mean they should. . Well, that's my opinion anyways. Great to be an American... we're TYPICALLY allowed to have those.

~Thanks for your reply.

[BrandiR]

For future reference- the thread title refers to you as a "breeder". I can't tell if you're actually a breeder or if you're just a hobbyist. I'd suggest that if you are breeding or plan to, you look into the laws regarding home-based businesses, animal breeding/selling, etc BEFORE you produce any animals with the intent to sell to avoid something like this happening again.

[I-KandyReptiles]

I looked into the laws BEFORE I got my first snake, just so something like this wouldn't happen.

[tommyhil4_6]

For future reference- the thread title refers to you as a "breeder". I can't tell if you're actually a breeder or if you're just a hobbyist. I'd suggest that if you are breeding or plan to, you look into the laws regarding home-based businesses, animal breeding/selling, etc BEFORE you produce any animals with the intent to sell to avoid something like this happening again.

Absolutely. If breeding for profit takes place, obviously a business license is needed. Technically, once this is ironed out... If I chose to breed for "profit" ie: sales of animals resulting in a net profit requiring state/federal taxation, the BL would be applied for. There are obvious hurdles if done in a residential "home style" scenario, so any "professional" breeding will be done in a commercial location that I will rent, which is the next option. Or I will buy a stand alone facility, whichever is deemed necessary.

It this point I am a serious HOBBYIST, but future plans are to become a breeder of amazingly unique animals, again in the proper conditions and areas needed to support such a venture. I'm a by the book dude, I follow the rules to a T and will address my violation with CWH to come to an agreed upon positive conclusion. I view problems, not as problems, but challenges.

[tommyhil4_6]

I looked into the laws BEFORE I got my first snake, just so something like this wouldn't happen.

You were more prepared than most... including myself obviously.

If anything comes from this, people will learn from my mistake to insure that they are indeed in compliance with any regs. My simple infraction was lack of a "exotic permit", so all I want to do is pay the 20.00 fee and be granted it. I meet all standards and regulations and have approval from my D.V.M (who is also based 1.5 miles from my home), local breeders and supporters as well as USARK etc. I WANT to follow the rules, I don't want them to turn a blind eye. That is not my intention.... but, I want them to use "common sense" in their justification... a 20.00 permit is all that is needed.

[BOWSER11788]

I skimmed over this thread and it makes me sick, what some people said. Divided we fall. also as i said i skimmed since Boas are exotic and not from 50 states. IF you raised, corns.milks, kings, could you have more than one since those snakes are native to america. some of you people nit pick over the dumbest things, like the above comment about taking a lolipop from a kid, shouldnt be compared. Get real, he wasn being literal. some people. good luck Tom.

[wilomn]

I skimmed over this thread and it makes me sick, what some people said. Divided we fall. also as i said i skimmed since Boas are exotic and not from 50 states. IF you raised, corns.milks, kings, could you have more than one since those snakes are native to america. some of you people nit pick over the dumbest things, like the above comment about taking a lolipop from a kid, shouldnt be compared. Get real, he wasn being literal. some people. good luck Tom.

Your definition of exotic is not the same as the one used out here in LaLa Land. I corn may be from the USA but it is not native to Ca and therefore, technically, requires a law abiding owner to have a valid wild animal permit. There is NO blanket rule, law or regulation regarding what permits are needed to keep exotics, non-venomous, the way we as hobbiests do. Also, bag limits, how many you're allowed to have, are in place in many cities, states, counties, what have you, that do not allow you to keep unlimited numbers of certain animals.

Perhaps a little research before you blow would help with that nasty taste of foot in mouth you're experiencing right now.

[BOWSER11788]

i not.. well