Male or Female Clown?

[joebad976]

Female all the way. Get a couple if you can. I went the het route and hope to produce some clowns this year. Bought the female hets 3 years ago long wait.

[Pythonfriend]

If you want to really produce a lot of clowns, as with all recessives, the way is to get a male visible and some female 100% hets.

And i add, a recessive project is not really a recessive project unless you have a visible, homozygous recessive in your collection.

I voted for a male clown, but of course this all depends on circumstances. Normally a male visible and female 100% hets are the easiest and best way to get a recessive project going.

To add dominant/codominant morphs, just breed a visible clown to whatever, and use the 100% het clown + whatever to move that whatever into visible clowns.

[tomjones456]

If you want to really produce a lot of clowns, as with all recessives, the way is to get a male visible and some female 100% hets.

And i add, a recessive project is not really a recessive project unless you have a visible, homozygous recessive in your collection.

I voted for a male clown, but of course this all depends on circumstances. Normally a male visible and female 100% hets are the easiest and best way to get a recessive project going.

To add dominant/codominant morphs, just breed a visible clown to whatever, and use the 100% het clown + whatever to move that whatever into visible clowns.

so you're saying getting a male clown would be better? alot of people seem to be saying forking over the extra bucks for female will save me alot of time. also pastel-lesser het clown might be more expensive as female?

[Pythonfriend]

so you're saying getting a male clown would be better? alot of people seem to be saying forking over the extra bucks for female will save me alot of time. also pastel-lesser het clown might be more expensive as female?

what will be easier and cheaper? To get 3 visible female clowns and a 100% het clown male, or to get a visible male and 3 females that are 100% het clown? In both cases, if they breed, the eggs will be the same. No difference. But you see, the investment on the male is tripled if you can breed it to 3 females. Genetically it makes no difference, but practically and economically it does.

If you can get a female clown at a reasonable price, i dont want to discourage you, get it if it appeals to you. Also it rises your odds to make clowns if you really manage to get nice female clowns. Breeding clown to clown for a clutch of 100% clowns is always awesome.

But for now, i say, you are asking female clown versus male clown, and if the male clown is cheaper or the same price.... get the male clown and then female 100% hets.

[Royal Hijinx]

For starting out in a recessive project I am a fan of having het females and getting a visual male when the girls are up to size. This gives you the most bang for the buck on your visual by being able to put him to more than one het female AND it eliminates possible het offspring. I am not a fan at all of possible hets. Hard to sell, and time consuming to prove out.

So I suggest getting one or two whatever morph het females (Lesser, Pastel, etc...) and a couple of normal het females, raising them then in 2 years buy a visual Pastel Clown male (the price will have dropped some by then).

You could also get the visual male earlier and start creating you own hets while you other het girls are getting up to size.

Not as exciting in the short term, but will pay off big in the long term.

[Pythonfriend]

For starting out in a recessive project I am a fan of having het females and getting a visual male when the girls are up to size. This gives you the most bang for the buck on your visual by being able to put him to more than one het female AND it eliminates possible het offspring. I am not a fan at all of possible hets. Hard to sell, and time consuming to prove out.

So I suggest getting one or two whatever morph het females (Lesser, Pastel, etc...) and a couple of normal het females, raising them then in 2 years buy a visual Pastel Clown male (the price will have dropped some by then).

You could also get the visual male earlier and start creating you own hets while you other het girls are getting up to size.

Not as exciting in the short term, but will pay off big in the long term.

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what i said, just more elaborate. And yes thats one thing i forgot... Buy females first, males later, because sexual maturity requires much more time in females. But then, a few years of delay are not of much concern when they get 20+ years old and reproduce nicely in their first 7-10 years.

[tomjones456]

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what i said, just more elaborate. And yes thats one thing i forgot... Buy females first, males later, because sexual maturity requires much more time in females. But then, a few years of delay are not of much concern when they get 20+ years old and reproduce nicely in their first 7-10 years.

seems like getting a female would speed up the process, no? ill keep it for at least 3-5 years til breeding, then she'll be good size. then all i have to do is either get a pastel-lesser or pastel-lesser het clown (depends on $$) and breed it to her quick since males are quicker to get to breeding size. or am i wrong?

[Royal Hijinx]

seems like getting a female would speed up the process, no? ill keep it for at least 3-5 years til breeding, then she'll be good size. then all i have to do is either get a pastel-lesser or pastel-lesser het clown (depends on $$) and breed it to her quick since males are quicker to get to breeding size. or am i wrong?

If you are determined to get a visual female, then yes that will work fine. You will just limit yourself in the long term as far as overall odds.

[tomjones456]

If you are determined to get a visual female, then yes that will work fine. You will just limit yourself in the long term as far as overall odds.

what do you mean by limit? basically this is my plan for either male or female. i'll get it in a few months and not breed until 3-5 years in the future. basically is a male or female going to get me a lesser pastel clown or killer clown faster and more efficiently? watever is more worth getting overall for these projects is the one i'm going to get.

[tomjones456]

If you are determined to get a visual female, then yes that will work fine. You will just limit yourself in the long term as far as overall odds.

ok i get it now lol. if i get a female i can only breed once a year, but if i get a male, i can breed it to multiple 'het clowns' a year, giving me even more chances to acheive my goal or other morphs. the only downfall of this is that it takes a while for these het clown females to grow, but will pay off in the long run