So just how common and how contagious IS IBD?

[Skiploder]

That is really fascinating information, but how was it determined that he was really dealing with OPMV? The way you described IBD makes it sound like some kind of autoimmune disease, so is it possible that the IBD made the snakes more susceptible to OPMV? I read that OPMV is much more common in venomous snakes, but I'm not sure how common it is in boids compared to IBD.

Once the vet figured out that animals without IBD were also getting sick he did what good vets should do - he started looking at other diseases. OPMV is confirmed via HI testing. God only knows what some of the vets we read about on this forum would do in such a situation............

Ask a dedicated exotics vet what they see more off - OPMV or IBD. Do not ask this of a casual vet or a vet who thinks everything can be treated by jabbing an animal with baytril - ask a REAL exotics vet. IBD may be very common in some species, but it may not be as lethal as we think. Many animals can be asymptomatic indefinitely.

In the case of Don's collection, snakes with IBD and snakes without IBD were affected indiscriminately.

[meowmeowkazoo]

you can read this too, it notes that it is common in venemous but also seen in colubrid, boid, and elapid snakes as well.

http://labs.vetmed.ufl.edu/sample-re...nfections/opm/

I read that page and a few others, which is why I said it seems much more common in vipers, not that it's exclusive to them.

[meowmeowkazoo]

Once the vet figured out that animals without IBD were also getting sick he did what good vets should do - he started looking at other diseases. OPMV is confirmed via HI testing. God only knows what some of the vets we read about on this forum would do in such a situation............

Ask a dedicated exotics vet what they see more off - OPMV or IBD. Do not ask this of a casual vet or a vet who thinks everything can be treated by jabbing an animal with baytril - ask a REAL exotics vet. IBD may be very common in some species, but it may not be as lethal as we think. Many animals can be asymptomatic indefinitely.

In the case of Don's collection, snakes with IBD and snakes without IBD were affected indiscriminately.

It sounds like when people are having a necropsy done, they shouldn't stop as soon as they find inclusion bodies in the snake. I wonder how many would have found OPMV as well if they hadn't assumed that IBD was the cause.

[kitedemon]

Who are most researchers? I don't disagree that IBD is not as common as people think, but I also think it's equally dangerous to assume something like 90% of cases being poisoning. There's just not enough research to know for sure, and people shouldn't be lulled into a false sense of security when it comes to quarantining new arrivals.

Buchmeier in cal and Jacobson mentioned the same and during the symposium in Florida dr. Mader commented that poisoning often is diagnosed as Ibd. That is the top two and a leading vet stating that Ibd is often mid diagnosed. Confirmed cases are very low the claims are quite high in the last year there are at least 15 posts of my snake has Ibd. It is unlikely these are really the disease poisoning presents the same or similar symptoms.

It doesn't mean reducing Quarntene I advocate 6-12 month and having Ibd and parav testing done.i have had all my snakes cleared.



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