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    Re: none locallity specific bci morp list

    Quote Originally Posted by H.o.F.R View Post
    However, to be clear, Hogs are not technically all hypomelanistic. There are Hogs and there are Hypo Hogs - which are referred to as Sunsets. Hogs do have lighter coloration, but when the hypo gene is added, they are then referred to as Sunset Hogs.
    I partially agree. From what I've seen true hog island boas are all hypo. if its not hypo its not a pure hog island. also hypo + hog island doesn't make a sunet. hypo + the natural occurring hypo of a hog island boa makes what is called a het sunset. a sunset boa is hypo + hypo + the naturally occurring hypo found only in hog island boas. so to be a sunset boa it has to be a super hypo + hog island hypo.

    Personally, I think maybe we should take out the "Hog Island Hypo" choice on the calculator. Partly since Hogs are a specific locality and we aren't including localities, but also because hypomelanism in Hogs is the same hypo gene in BCIs in general. It is, in fact, compatable with the hypo/salmon gene. Therefore, this choice is actually redundant.

    This is where we disagree I feel the hog island hypo needs to be in the calculator as it is NOT the same hypo gene found in any other bci. Hog Island boas are a locality. cant argue that. if in fact the hog island hypo and hypo are the same then when you bred a het sunset to a normal all of the offspring should be hypo. because by your explanation they are the same which means a het sunset is in fact just a super hypo 50% hog island locality boa. so all of the offspring would be hypo. can we agree to that? if we can then the naturally occurring hypomelanistic gene found in the hog island boa has to be its own strain and has to be identified separately. Because the breeding trial that I could find did not produce 100% hypo offspring when breeding a het sunset x normal Colombian.

    If anyone has other information that I can look into i'd be happy to change my mind and conform to the mass opinion. But until then I have to stick to my guns on this. I spent 3 or so days trying to get a definitive answer to this exact question and could only get one breeding trial and honestly it is from a friend that exports exotics out of panama. its the same friend that has helped me plan my family vacation this summer to coasta rica to go stomp the jungle for wc boas.


    ***PLEASE if there are any Hog breeders out there that can difinitively clear this up - please chime in! We are friends having a very eduactional discussion, so there is no real argument going on, but we really could use a professional to help us out on this! We want to be able to help others and we want to make sure our genetics calculator is accurate for everyone! Thanks!!***

    Here is a teeny bit of information I've gathered over the years on Hog Islands. I follow what you are saying and I do not necessarily disagree - in fact, I'm going to switch around and actually say I do believe you are correct. But, anyhow, here's what I've found and this might help you understand why I'm thinking the way I am.

    I will ALSO concede up front that Hog Islands are, in fact, all hypos - according to Marc Norrie, they are a "naturally occurring form of hypomelanism".

    The following is found on Marc Norrie's site, Selective Bred Reptiles, http://www.selectivebred.com/collectiondt.asp?ID=11
    "Hypo Hogs are produced by breeding a hypo melanistic Boa to a Hog Island Boa. As Hog Island Boas are a naturaly occuring Hypomelanistic locale, when combined with the Hypo morph you get an exaggerated hypo appearance in the offspring. This can then be taken one step further by breeding them together to produce the stunning Sunset Boa, which is effectively a super Hypo Hog."

    This does, however, suggest that the "hog hypo" IS compatable with the hypo gene in other BCIs - "As Hog Island Boas are a naturaly occuring Hypo melanistic locale, when combined with the Hypo morph you get an exaggerated hypo appearance in the offspring."

    I have since found a thread on redtailboas.com that has a discussion about this very topic. I believe they are proving your point, Damon! Here is the link. But I am going to agree with you totally on this: this is all making my head hurt........... This is a perfect example of why a genetics calculator for boas has not been attempted until now!!! LoL....

    http://www.redtailboas.com/f17/sunse...nd-boas-17183/ It's a little hard to read, but if you scroll down a little and you'll find where they begin talking about the hypo gene itself.

    So I think we should, in fact, leave "Hog Island Hypo" on the calculator. I am sure we'll be tweaking it a lot as we go along. All we can do at the moment is the best we can with what we have - and we've done very well so far indeed!!
    Last edited by Evenstar; 03-05-2013 at 06:09 PM.
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