few quick questions?

[Rob]

first of i am taking the advice that people are giving me that why i asked for suggestions on tstats that would be better than the one i have , and one that the probe will fit between the pad and the glass on the out side since my tstat has a big probe that wont fit between the pad and glass ,and did not come with anything to raise the tank, and U quoted me saying "and also if the probe was placed under the tank on the back side of the pad the temps would be way off , because the back side of the pad is not nearly as hot as the sticky side at least on mine"so are u saying that is wrong? cus everything i herd in this thread says that the probe should be stuck between the glass and the pad " NOT ON THE BACK SIDE of the pad like one person said, if u think the back side is as hot as in between the glass and pad, then your just stupid, im just trying to make shur i understand what is being said and what is the right way, i dont know where u get the idea that im not taking the advice given i appreciate everybody that was helpful , i even appreciated you before u started acting like i :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r:,

Well, this answers a lot of questions on why your not grasping the concept of "the probe goes on heat source".

[ejseoane]

I love these. I have a Herpstat 1 and 4. They both are great.

http://www.spyderrobotics.com/home/products.html

Helix is another big name and I have read others like Vivarium Electronics but I have not used either of these.

thanks ill have research those i think the herpstat 1 would work for what i need

[ejseoane]

Well, this answers a lot of questions on why your not grasping the concept of "the probe goes on heat source".

to respond with "the probe goes on the heat source" really, that is not a good answer at all , there is alot of places ON the heat source where it could be put , it could be put on the back side of the heat pad like one person said , it could be put in the top side between the pad and glass like another person said, are u saying that those two spots would work the same i doubt it , what if i was using bulbs as my heat source , are u saying i should put the probe on the bulb cus that would be putting the probe ON the heat source ,

[Rob]

to respond with "the probe goes on the heat source" really, that is not a good answer at all , there is alot of places ON the heat source where it could be put , it could be put on the back side of the heat pad like one person said , it could be put in the top side between the pad and glass like another person said, are u saying that those two spots would work the same i doubt it , what if i was using bulbs as my heat source , are u saying i should put the probe on the bulb cus that would be putting the probe ON the heat source ,

It's not rocket science. Place the probe on the heat source. Now that does not mean stick it on the inside of the tank on the glass like you were saying was correct. Now here comes common sense. If you want to stick in in between the glass and the uth great. If you want to stick it to the bottom of the uth that's just fine to. As long as you can dial down or up the thermostat to get the desired temp inside the tank on the "hot spot" it does not matter as long as the probe is on the heat source controlling it.
I may have came of brash, and that's usually not my style. But it appeared to me that you had a answer to everything we were telling you on why you should continue doing it your way.

[danojeno]

first of i am taking the advice that people are giving me that why i asked for suggestions on tstats that would be better than the one i have , and one that the probe will fit between the pad and the glass on the out side since my tstat has a big probe that wont fit between the pad and glass ,and did not come with anything to raise the tank, and U quoted me saying "and also if the probe was placed under the tank on the back side of the pad the temps would be way off , because the back side of the pad is not nearly as hot as the sticky side at least on mine"so are u saying that is wrong? cus everything i herd in this thread says that the probe should be stuck between the glass and the pad " NOT ON THE BACK SIDE of the pad like one person said, if u think the back side is as hot as in between the glass and pad, then your just stupid, im just trying to make shur i understand what is being said and what is the right way, i dont know where u get the idea that im not taking the advice given i appreciate everybody that was helpful , i even appreciated you before u started acting like i :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r:,

I'm not stupid, though my wife may disagree. I said put it on the back side because the size of the probe you described would make mounting between the uth and glass troublesome and i dont want it in the tank. Find the temp you want inside the tank with a thermometer, then set the thermostat. It doesn't matter if one side of the uth is hotter. You are setting it based on thermometer temps, not thermostat temps.

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[ejseoane]

It's not rocket science. Place the probe on the heat source. Now that does not mean stick it on the inside of the tank on the glass like you were saying was correct. Now here comes common sense. If you want to stick in in between the glass and the uth great. If you want to stick it to the bottom of the uth that's just fine to. As long as you can dial down or up the thermostat to get the desired temp inside the tank on the "hot spot" it does not matter as long as the probe is on the heat source controlling it.
I may have came of brash, and that's usually not my style. But it appeared to me that you had a answer to everything we were telling you on why you should continue doing it your way.

I never said that putting it inside the tank was the right or wrong way, u are the one that seems to think they know everything, i was simply asking questions because when i thought about it , it seamed to me that putting in between the uth and the floor of the tank would be the best option, but like i said i cannot do that with the tstat that i have, the other supposed correct thing to do according to u would be to put it under the pad, i cannot do that either and i wouldn't even if i could , like i said the bottom is not nearly as hot as the top side, i understand that its possible to dial it up or down, but why would i sit there and put the probe under the pad making it so i have to crank it up to lets say 130 just so it reads 90 in the tank, that doesn't sound good to me, that's just sloppy right there, and makes it totally pointless to spend the money on a quality tstat, so my only other option would be to put in in the tank directly on top of the pad, witch i think would give me a much more accurate reading then putting it completely under , that would make it so i don't have to turn it up to its max just to get the right temp in my hot spot , according to all the replies the only reason i have read not to put the probe in the tank would be because it could move, if i make it secure it will be fine until i get a new tstat, i check everything multiple times per day anyways . U are the one that needs to use some common sense , u don't know why i was asking certain questions, and by me asking those questions does not mean that i thought i was right or anybody els was wrong, im the one asking questions and u are the one providing there "expert opinions" i don't see how that makes me a know it all, u are the one that started throwing shiitt first, u just assumed that i was a know it all like u very much seem to be. U are the one that needs some common sense . And no you didnt come off as brash u came off as a total diickk

[ejseoane]

I'm not stupid, though my wife may disagree. I said put it on the back side because the size of the probe you described would make mounting between the uth and glass troublesome and i dont want it in the tank. Find the temp you want inside the tank with a thermometer, then set the thermostat. It doesn't matter if one side of the uth is hotter. You are setting it based on thermometer temps, not thermostat temps.

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sorry i wasn't calling u stupid , this guy rob is pissing me off , i cant put it between the uth and the glass , or on the back side of the uth either , my tstat did not come with anything to raise it enoph to do that, i could get something at the store but it think im just going to return it and get a different tstat, apparently the tstat i have is not very reliable, i will do some research befor i spend the money on a new one though, what tstat are u using? i just didnt want to have to turn why tstat way up to make my hot spot right

[danojeno]

Think about it like this. Yes, one side of the heating pad may be a little cooler than the other (mine is about the same). However, the inside of the glass will be a different temp than the "hot" side of the pad. You have to measure with a thermometer, then dial in with the thermostat. As im sure you know, if the t-stat gets dislodged, things can get too hot...

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[ejseoane]

Think about it like this. Yes, one side of the heating pad may be a little cooler than the other (mine is about the same). However, the inside of the glass will be a different temp than the "hot" side of the pad. You have to measure with a thermometer, then dial in with the thermostat. As im sure you know, if the t-stat gets dislodged, things can get too hot...

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i get what your saying, i would have to look around and try to find something to hold each end of the tank up evenly , and stick it under the pad, until i get a new one tstat or just end up keeping this one ,what kind of tstat do u use and what uth are u using?

[danojeno]

The bottoms of the tanks are usually recessed slightly. Combine this with some little rubber feet at each corner and you should be good to go. As for my own, I am currently using a zoomed 8w uth, controlled by a dimmer...no thermostat. Far from ideal with swinging ambient room temps. I'm getting out of glass and into an Animal Plastics T8, divided, with Pro Products radiant heat panels, controlled by a Herpstat 4. I'm stoked, as everything should arrive next week. Time will tell if I need to add a UTH. If I do, it will probably be something thin and hot to heat 1/2 PVC. Good luck on your setup...there are a million ways to skin a cat.

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