KMG, you are absolutely correct with your posts. I guess it could be said that I sometimes dont explain myself correctly or that I dont go into the amount of details I should. you are correct by stating that the ideas I have are in my head and although I may see them clearly, others can not see into my head.I do apologize to you and all the members here about my comment about being herpetologists. It was in no way meant to be an insult but to merely point out that to some degree we are all still learning here including myself, which I will also say that at no point did I ever say that I was an expert or the authority on cage building. Just because it is how I pay my bills does not make me an expert. In fact for 20 years I used to build commercial buildings as a union carpenter until the economy collapsed and I lost my home and everything I owned (literally) so building cages was the only way I could think of to feed my family.the entire point of this site is to better the health of our animals , so that they can have the best environments possible. If indeed I am giving out bad advice than I think it is in everyones best interest that I no longer participate in giving advice. I was only trying to offer just another way to look at things sorry for all the drama ...Jeff.