Are ALL Leopards het pied?

[RandyRemington]

I've not worked with the leopard version (as far as I know) but IMHO regular pied has some pretty co-dominant tendencies. I've proven three 25% chance het pied girls and a 33% chance het pied girl and several possible het males along the way looking for the markers. Obviously I don't have leopard data to back it up but I could easily see it being another allele of pied that is further down the co-dominant scale.

[eatgoodfood]

I've not worked with the leopard version (as far as I know) but IMHO regular pied has some pretty co-dominant tendencies. I've proven three 25% chance het pied girls and a 33% chance het pied girl and several possible het males along the way looking for the markers. Obviously I don't have leopard data to back it up but I could easily see it being another allele of pied that is further down the co-dominant scale.

now here is a project for you, line breed the "visual" het pieds you proved out and I bet if you breed for the "markers" you will get hets that there is never a question about

[RandyRemington]

I am pretty excited about a 12.5% chance het pied girl I hope to prove this year. She is from an extreme marker line (Raul Gomez - some of her het relatives looked like low white pieds). Her markers are awesome and almost as good as her 25% chance het dad so I don't doubt she'll prove.

[Anthony Renna]

I am pretty excited about a 12.5% chance het pied girl I hope to prove this year. She is from an extreme marker line (Raul Gomez - some of her het relatives looked like low white pieds). Her markers are awesome and almost as good as her 25% chance het dad so I don't doubt she'll prove.

Best of luck proving her out

[Alex85]

not exactly. Piebald is a recessive trait with the hets looking normal. the leopard is a special line of piebald het where the "hets" are visual. basically, a standard piebald is a recessive gene that produces normal looking hets. leopard is a "co-dom" animal who's super form is piebald.

This is very interesting!

What if you bread a leopard to a regular pied (not from any leopard line) and then ended up with a leopard pied as one of the offspring. Could this be a "super leopard" as Graziani is describing, even though it didn't come from a leopard x leopard pairing? Or maybe the super form of leopard (leopard pied) can only come from a leopard x leopard pairing, whether they parents are visual pieds or not. I think this is pretty important for the future of the gene: the ability to distinguish a "super leopard" from a "non-super" leopard pied. Sounds like the only way to be safe is by not mixing a regular line of pied with any leopard pied projects.

[TheSnakeGeek]

This is very interesting!

What if you bread a leopard to a regular pied (not from any leopard line) and then ended up with a leopard pied as one of the offspring. Could this be a "super leopard" as Graziani is describing, even though it didn't come from a leopard x leopard pairing?

a "super leopard" would have to come from two leopard parents.. which would produce a piebald that when bred to a normal, would produce nothing but leopards. if you bred a leopard to a regular piebald, you would have a 50% chance of producing visual piebalds, and those piebalds, when grown up and bred to a normal should throw (statistically speaking) 50% leopards (het pied) and 50% normal looking balls that are het pied.

this is assuming that all leopards are het pied.. which is looking to be the case.