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    Yeah, if she's only just over a year, she's got a while til she'll breed anyway. There was one rarity I read about at this site where a spider laid eggs right about the time she was 2 years from her hatch date, but that's certainly the exception to the rule. My younger females have bowl wrapped, too, but I don't bother pairing a male with them..
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    The impression that I got from the intial post was that the female ball is pregnate (gravid) as soon as they lock up. I am not sure if you know, but a female is not technically pregnate (gravid) until ovulation. Even if the female has not bred they still could develope follicles. So if you do not place a male with her this season and she has never bred, then she will not ovulate. They usually bowl wrap while building follicles up to ovulation. The thing that concerns me is that she is 1200 grams. I personally would not breed a 1200 gram female because alot of times they can not regain weight for the next season, or it they give you a really small clutch. So I would wait for her to hit 1500 or more. I don't want to make it sound like you don't know anything. Just what it sounded like to me. HAPPY BREEDING!!

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    Re: Bowl wrapping ?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthdragons737 View Post
    The impression that I got from the intial post was that the female ball is pregnate (gravid) as soon as they lock up. I am not sure if you know, but a female is not technically pregnate (gravid) until ovulation. Even if the female has not bred they still could develope follicles. So if you do not place a male with her this season and she has never bred, then she will not ovulate. They usually bowl wrap while building follicles up to ovulation. The thing that concerns me is that she is 1200 grams. I personally would not breed a 1200 gram female because alot of times they can not regain weight for the next season, or it they give you a really small clutch. So I would wait for her to hit 1500 or more. I don't want to make it sound like you don't know anything. Just what it sounded like to me. HAPPY BREEDING!!
    Yeah you should go back and reread the post i never said gravid i said developing follicles, and i was saying she has never been with my male to say i have not and will not be breeding her this year. It was more of a question as to if females will do this behavior during the season if they aren't ready.
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    Re: Bowl wrapping ?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthdragons737 View Post
    The thing that concerns me is that she is 1200 grams. I personally would not breed a 1200 gram female because alot of times they can not regain weight for the next season, or it they give you a really small clutch. So I would wait for her to hit 1500 or more.
    I disagree with this. You have to look at the weight to length ratio of the snake and overall body condition. Not just weight alone.
    You can safely breed a 1200 gram female as long as she has good body condition.
    Some females are small and just never grow any larger. They can still throw average sized clutches successfully.
    Some females who are 1500+ grams are extremely long and skinny, which is not an appropriate breeding body condition in my opinion.
    Some 1200 gram females are short and have good fat reserves, which is a better breeding candidate than a long skinny 1900 gram female.

    I'm currently breeding a girl under 1500 grams, but shes nice and chunky. She has an extremely good body condition.
    I also have an 1800 gram girl, who I will not breed. She is really long, skinny, and hardly has any fat reserves. Not a good body condition for a breeding female imo.

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    Bowl wrapping is usually done well before a male enters a females lair, if you don't enter a male "usually" nothing more than bowl wrapping will take place.

    I start breeding all of the females I raise up at 17+ months old and 1200+ grams and they go on the next year to be bigger and throw more eggs the second go round.
    From my experience, females that start breeding around 17 months old tend to throw eggs around 24 months old, if they give you eggs their first season.
    As Nikki says, in general, a younger smaller female with good fat reserves will do better than a long slender female.

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