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[OhhWatALoser]

Wait nvm..... It says "the item you've requested is not currently available in the US store"...

hm... no idea, ill have to look into it, sorry

[3skulls]

[TessadasExotics]

But Platty is not a Dominant gene. Platty (Platinum or Platty daddy) is a combo of the het platty and the lesser platty (Lesser).
Het Daddy and Platty are 2 different morphs.
You shouldn't have Pin and not Spider or Woma also listed as dominant. No one has made (other than 1 person who supposedly made a super pin which has yet to be seen) a super:
Pin, Spider or Woma. I am pretty sure you can take Calico/Sugar off of the unproven as no one has made a super yet. I can see Desert seeing how there is no way anyone is going to be able to prove that one out yet.

[OhhWatALoser]

But Platty is not a Dominant gene. Platty (Platinum or Platty daddy) is a combo of the het platty and the lesser platty (Lesser).
Het Daddy and Platty are 2 different morphs.
You shouldn't have Pin and not Spider or Woma also listed as dominant. No one has made (other than 1 person who supposedly made a super pin which has yet to be seen) a super:
Pin, Spider or Woma. I am pretty sure you can take Calico/Sugar off of the unproven as no one has made a super yet. I can see Desert seeing how there is no way anyone is going to be able to prove that one out yet.

Platty = lesser and daddy gene. As you said platty is the combo, Daddy gene is the dominant gene. RDR has produced a few super daddy gene snakes now. It only takes 1 animal to prove a gene dominant, its breeding records are what proved the pinstripe homozygous (super),

If there is no super made, then it is unproven, since we don't know what the homozygous (super) version looks like. You need to know what both homozygous and heterozygous look like to classify it. For some reason this hobby is under the impression that dominant means it does not have a super, which is false. There is zero reason to think they don't exist, Hard to prove and not a good economic choice.....yea, but still no reason to think they don't exist. expect for the daddy gene, which was pretty easy to prove, just breed a pair of plattys together, joys of allele groups. Super desert will most likely remain unproven dominant forever as there appears to be no way to get viable eggs from a female, so we will never see the homozygous version.

still waiting on apple about the app thing.....

[TessadasExotics]

In the ball python breeding world and the improper terms we use. Dominant gene ball pythons do NOT make a super. Hence the term of dominant given to them. They only create themselves. I.e. Spider, Woma, Calico/Sugar, Pinstripe. If it makes a super then it is co-dom. Doesn't matter what it looks like. You can add normal to the list of dominant to.

Im just trying to understand your reasoning behind changing the list of dominant genes to your liking and not to what the majority of breeders are familiar with, do to their own results.

I understand Brian has claimed to have made a "super" Pin.... no one else has and no one has seen this mysterious pin to my knowledge. If he did then Pin is no longer dominant or even unproven dominant. It would be co-dom.

[OhhWatALoser]

In the ball python breeding world and the improper terms we use. Dominant gene ball pythons do NOT make a super. Hence the term of dominant given to them. They only create themselves. I.e. Spider, Woma, Calico/Sugar, Pinstripe. If it makes a super then it is co-dom. Doesn't matter what it looks like. You can add normal to the list of dominant to.

Im just trying to understand your reasoning behind changing the list of dominant genes to your liking and not to what the majority of breeders are familiar with, do to their own results.

I understand Brian has claimed to have made a "super" Pin.... no one else has and no one has seen this mysterious pin to my knowledge. If he did then Pin is no longer dominant or even unproven dominant. It would be co-dom.

I'm not changing anything, besides separating the unknown from the known. I mean even go up to judy's guide in the sticky and read what a dominant trait is. Dominant traits are called dominant traits because they fit the scientific definition of it. Just because people misunderstand it doesn't make it not true. Dominant traits have to make a super, it only makes sense genetically and there has never been a case to say otherwise, unless you got something preventing it like the desert gene. Genetic classification are based on looks and nothing else, how can you say they don't matter?

	Heterozygous	Homozygous
Dominant	Visual	Same Visual
Inc-Dom/Co-Dom	Visual	Different Visual
Recessive	Not Visual	Visual
Unproven Dominant	Visual	?????

I'm not going to further spread the misinformation, despite what other breeders think. It's not like breeding snakes gives you magical knowledge only that can be obtained through making babies, they are simple definitions that anyone can read and figure out. We already know co-dom is most likely misused for all "co-dom genes", but heck just throw inc-dom and co-dom under the same heading for our purposes, is see no reason to separate the two classifications. We just look for visual and non visual. Now its not wrong, all of the genes are co-dom or inc-dom, problem solved.

Dominant traits on the other hand "worked" for a while, as we said they are classified dominant until proven otherwise, but all that meant was they were not recessive genes. Then people started proving out dominant traits and it screwed up that system.... so do you keep them under the same classification or what? You can already see my solution. Brian is also the only person who claimed to make an attempt at proving out a homozygous pin. Have you seen anyone else make an attempt? No one else can do it, if no one else is trying. So we are left with his breeding records, but his breeding records show 27 eggs all pinstripe, fathered by a snake that came from a pin x pin breeding. Since that snake looked like any other pinstripe, it fits the real scientific definition of dominant. Unless he hit the 130 million some chance of doing that with a heterozyygous pin or he is a liar, feel free to believe what you want. It is not co-dom by any definition.

[OhhWatALoser]

App issue should be fixed, the update date was set for a future date and apparently that caused the problem, I was able to view it in itunes, so it should work for iOS. Let me know if you are still having problems. thanks for letting me know.

[3skulls]

Nothing coming up in the app store. Same as above. Keeps asking if I mean owl.

What's the app called?

[3skulls]

I think I found it. BPGC ?

[3skulls]

Never mind. I found it on my iPhone by searching for Ball Pythons.

Thanks again!