Trying to understand base morphs, help?

[sorraia]

Sugar = Calico
Lessers and butters are 2 lines of the same morph
Black Pastels and Cinnamons are similar but not the same morph


Here is the morph list: http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/

Thanks. I've been looking at that site, but they have some morphs listed separately that may or may not actually be separate. That's what I'm trying to figure out with this post.

The problem here is that there are some people who believe these are separate yet related morphs, and some who believe they are the same.
What happens is two snakes, with similar attributes, are imported from Africa. Each of the breeders proves out said snakes, and they each name them differently. The morph names, when dealing with similiar/same morphs, can be considered "lines" if you like. Think, Graziani Pastel, Citrus Pastel, lemon pastel, etc. Each have their own attributes, or qualities, that make them that line, but they are still pastels.

Sugar's and Calico's can be the same, I've seen more high white sugar's than calico's...Not sure how accurate that is, but it's something I've noticed.

This is my novice's standpoint, if they look similar, make the same/similar super, and do the same/similar things in combo's, then they are just different "lines" with different attributes. Cinni's tend to be browner than black pastels, but I've seen black pastels that were brown, and cinni's that were black/dark. The variation is so vast in any morph, that it's hard to say if they are different morphs, or just slightly tweaked lines.

Flame = fire = lemonback = sulfur
Yellowbelly = goblin = orangbelly = bling
Het Red Axanthics = Lace black back = Green Pastel

It's a headache, and no short way (That I know of) to learn them all. Just a lot of reading, research, chatting, and straight up asking questions. It will get easier as time goes by, and you learn more and more about the different morphs and what defines them, to see the differences/similarities and be able to make an educated guess. Until then, keep asking, searching, reading, and learning. Sorry I wasn't more helpful, I'm a newbie too, this is just my opinion / conclusions thus far.

Thanks! That was helpful!

So if there are 2 lines of one morph, those lines are most likely genetically the same, but with different modifiers to make them slightly different, right? And breeding 2 lines of one morph together would yield the expected results of breeding 2 individuals of the same line, just with variation from those 2 lines. example: If Fire and Flame were 2 lines of the same morph, breeding a Fire to a Flame would result in normal, more fire/flame, and the super, with variation in each form coming from the 2 lines. Right? Or do snake genetics work different from the mammal genetics I am used to?