Mojave + Mojave = Blue eyed Lucy?

[Freakie_frog]

I'm just going to throw my two cents in here for whatever it's worth. Love super mojo's they look better to me as they age than they do as babies. No for the odd's it is per egg, why is it per egg and not the total clutch because if it's 1:4 then out of 4 eggs you should get at least one right, but I've seen clutches of 8 eggs only yeild 1 morph with a 50:50 odds then I've seen clutches of 4 with 1:4 chances get all 1:4 combo's. So for me the size of the clutch doesn't alter the odds it just gives you more chances or less to hit the odds.

[CD CONSTRICTORS]

The odds are per egg. If there is only 1 egg does that mean we will have no chance at hitting a BEL? No- it means we have a 1:4 odds of hitting a BEL on that egg. If we have 100 eggs it still means we only have a 1:4 odds at each egg. Sure, you can say you're odd's are 25/100, but what it really breaks down to is that there is 1:4 odd's per egg no matter how you crack them.

What's the odd's you'll get a female out of any egg for any clutch? 1:2... if your first egg is a female, what are the odds your 2nd egg will be a female? 3rd egg and so on.... the odd's are per egg. The more egg's you get, the higher your chances of hitting any desired (or undesired) morph.

Odd's and chances at the odd's are quite different. If you hold one lottery ticket with 1:1,000,000 odds you probably wasted $1, but if you hold 500,000 tickets your chances are much better. The odd's are still 1:1,000,000 per ticket.

The sperm do not all line up and decide who's jumping in each egg to make the odd's right for the entire clutch.

[decensored]

All of your odds are per egg.

I prefer the MojoxMojo Bell look personally.

[Izzys Keeper]

The odds are per egg. If there is only 1 egg does that mean we will have no chance at hitting a BEL? No- it means we have a 1:4 odds of hitting a BEL on that egg. If we have 100 eggs it still means we only have a 1:4 odds at each egg. Sure, you can say you're odd's are 25/100, but what it really breaks down to is that there is 1:4 odd's per egg no matter how you crack them.

What's the odd's you'll get a female out of any egg for any clutch? 1:2... if your first egg is a female, what are the odds your 2nd egg will be a female? 3rd egg and so on.... the odd's are per egg. The more egg's you get, the higher your chances of hitting any desired (or undesired) morph.

Odd's and chances at the odd's are quite different. If you hold one lottery ticket with 1:1,000,000 odds you probably wasted $1, but if you hold 500,000 tickets your chances are much better. The odd's are still 1:1,000,000 per ticket.

The sperm do not all line up and decide who's jumping in each egg to make the odd's right for the entire clutch.

If you do the math at the end of the day 1:4 per egg still translates to 1:4 for the clutch. Not saying you cant beat the odds and get all bels. You can just as well get no bels.
were arguing the same point. Not saying your wrong by claiming its per egg but you are mistaken if you claim its not also per clutch. Statistically out of 100 eggs, 25 will be bels (in the ideal perfect world). Open 4 eggs and statistically it will be 1 bel. Open 1 egg (which can represent a 1 egg clutch) and its still 25% @ a bel.

Now your argument about consecutive females is different. The odd will be deifferent if you expect to get multiple females consecutively. But out of the whole clutch the odds will still be 50:50 (as well as per egg). After 1 female emerging,your odds of getting a second consecutive female (in a row) drops. This will not magically change what is in the next egg but playing your odds will show you that the probability of a second female is lower than before you opened the first egg. After 2 females you have to be pretty lucky to hit a third consecutive because the odds multiply (i beleive exponentially but i may be mistaken). In the end the odds should still balance out to about 50:50 male/female for the entire clutch.

In the end the argument is moot. It works both ways (perclutch/per egg)

[CD CONSTRICTORS]

If you do the math at the end of the day 1:4 per egg still translates to 1:4 for the clutch. Not saying you cant beat the odds and get all bels. You can just as well get no bels.
were arguing the same point. Not saying your wrong by claiming its per egg but you are mistaken if you claim its not also per clutch. Statistically out of 100 eggs, 25 will be bels (in the ideal perfect world). Open 4 eggs and statistically it will be 1 bel. Open 1 egg (which can represent a 1 egg clutch) and its still 25% @ a bel.

Now your argument about consecutive females is different. The odd will be deifferent if you expect to get multiple females consecutively. But out of the whole clutch the odds will still be 50:50 (as well as per egg). After 1 female emerging,your odds of getting a second consecutive female (in a row) drops. This will not magically change what is in the next egg but playing your odds will show you that the probability of a second female is lower than before you opened the first egg. After 2 females you have to be pretty lucky to hit a third consecutive because the odds multiply (i beleive exponentially but i may be mistaken). In the end the odds should still balance out to about 50:50 male/female for the entire clutch.

In the end the argument is moot. It works both ways (perclutch/per egg)

Not so, but believe what you want. The odd's of hitting a female on the 1st egg is 1:2, 2nd egg is still 1:2... 3rd egg is still 1:2. The odds do not multiply exponentially as you go as it is per each individual egg. You can extrapolate it for the clutch if you wish for simplicity, but it is per egg and they are not the same. You contradict yourself by saying the odds change after you hit one female.... not so. The odd's are still 1:2 per egg- PERIOD.

Xx times Yy has 4 possible outcomes per egg. Draw a Punnett Square. After the 1st egg is sexed look at the Punnet square. Did it change? Nope.... that's cause it's per egg. If you have one child and it is a boy that does not decrease your chances of having a boy on your next child.

We're not talking statistics about flipping coins and rolling dice. We're talking genetic odd's on any given single egg. Each egg has it's own odd's. The previous egg has no bearing on the odds of the next egg.

[Izzys Keeper]

[QUOTE=coreydelong;1965068]Not so, but believe what you want. The odd's of hitting a female on the 1st egg is 1:2, 2nd egg is still 1:2... 3rd egg is still 1:2. The odds do not multiply exponentially as you go as it is per each individual egg. You can extrapolate it for the clutch if you wish for simplicity, but it is per egg and they are not the same. You contradict yourself by saying the odds change after you hit one female.... not so. The odd's are still 1:2 per egg- PERIOD.

The only reason i mentioned this is because you brought it up. I understand the odds of each egg do not change. But you brought up hitting consecutive females in a series of eggs. The analogy between flipping coins and female:male is valid. As i said it doesnt magically change what is in the egg but it does change your ODDS. THE odds of getting 1 female from 1 egg is better than getting 4 females in a row from 4 eggs. Not saying those eggs all of a sudden have different snakes in them.

If the snake somehow laid 100 eggs would you agree that the amount of bels from the entire clutch idealistically should be 25?

Now would you agree that if you opened the 100 eggs one by one and the first 10 were bels, the odds of hitting an 11th or 12th CONSECUTIVE bel out of those expected 25 would get slimmer and slimmer in relation to the results of the entire clutch?

The odds of continuing to hit the same result CONSECUTIVELY get worse as you continue to get that result.

1:4 is 1:4 reguardless if you have a 1 egg sample size or a 100 egg sample size.

But that 1:4 is skewed if you expect to hit the same result consecutively (or one after another)

[CD CONSTRICTORS]

We can aggree to disagree. It is per egg and that is what a Punnett Square represents. People do extrapolate it out, but it is incorrect to do so.

A Punnett Square is what genetic odds are calculated from. That square and its associated odds do not change from one egg to the next. The odds are the same for each egg.... 1:4. If I hit 99 straight BEL's my odds are still 1:4 (no more, no less) the last egg will be a BEL. Genetic odds are not based on what the last egg produced. Prove to me the Punnett Squre changes for one egg given the last outcome? The Punnett Square sits there on the wall and cares not what the last child/egg was.

Would you tell parents that have a Sickle Cell child that their odds are any different that their 2nd child may have Sickle Cell? That Punnett Square does not care if the last child had Sickle Cell......

[SquamishSerpents]

We're not talking statistics about flipping coins and rolling dice. We're talking genetic odd's on any given single egg. Each egg has it's own odd's. The previous egg has no bearing on the odds of the next egg.

[don15681]

I happen to prefer the super Mojaves. The other BELs are cool, but there is just something about the lavender/grey head that I like. Plus, if you have a super Mojave and pair that with a Mystic or a Phantom, you can guarantee that you get Mystic Potions or Purple Passions, much more interesting (in my opinion) than the Mystic(or Phantom)/Lesser (or Butter) combinations. But it is a matter of personal taste. This year I hatched out 1.0 Jigsaw Blast (Mojave/Pinstripe/Pastel) and 0.2 Jigsaws (Mojave/Pinstripe) and was really pleased with them. There is a whole lot of really cool things you can pair the Mojave to, look at the Mojave/Yellowbelly, the Mojave/Sabel, and the Savannah (Mojave/Cinnamon) to name a few.

there is no guarantee with that breeding.

Get a female mystic and go for potions!

if I had a female mystic or phantom up to breeding size, I wouldn't waste her on a male mojave. not when a super phantom/ mystic are going for 5500 and you can pick up a mystic/ phantom male for around 500 to breed to her.



I produced 2 mojave x lesser bels and a mojave x mojave bel last year. I like both the very clean look and also the super mojave look. I still have the super mojave, it's a very strong genetic snake to have in a collection.

[CD CONSTRICTORS]

BEL's were what got me jump started into breeding. I picked up a 1.0 Lesser who is now breeding to a few of my various females..... Spider and Pinstripe.

I picked up a 0.1 Butter for him initially last year, then a 0.1 Mojave this year. The 0.1 Butter should be ready next fall and the 0.1 Mojave the following year.

Undecided on exactly what morphs I would use for my BEL's I also picked up a 1.0 Mojave, so I have several possibilities on how I want to go about producing some BEL's.

Mojave x Mojave

Mojave x Butter

Lesser x Butter

Lesser x Mojave