and again roseyreps, we are all on the honnor system I thought.....I have yet to meet a breeder(not saying some don't) who does test tube gene/dna and blood studies on all their snake. I'm not flip flopping I'm just again asking question? Isn't that what a true hypothesis is? to see if it stands up to a scientific method? I do trust the guy I got the snake from and the herp community, but I also have an open mind. How would anyone in fact know they were getting what they wanted without dna testing? Trust and the honnor system is very important in what we do, im sure we can all agree on this! One word HETS...lol....

The question I ask(AND PLEASE BEFORE ANYONES ELES MAKES A POST, HEAR THE QUESTION PLEASE!!!)is did someone, somewhere make a mistake with what is what (muddied up the lines) and now everyones EGO is letting them make claims that are in themselves just guesses. The point AGAIN is that no ONE person can say with 100% certainty what I have....and that's the RUBB and the funniest part of this whole thread. I show one pic of my snake, and one person says "trust the breeder", while another says butter, because of this traits or another says lesser because of this.....look at the many post on this thread or this topic, at my humble best I cannot call one person wrong or another right. AGAIN no matter who's line I start with anyone can question it one way or another, because as I've been told over and over and over and over that they are the same or that you could put a 6 of each in a pic and no one of us could guess them apart! So what I want to do is good ole trait "selective breeding". Getting all the butters and lesser I can a breeding for differences, to see what I can get. For some reason I feel like some of you are not seeing the forest for the trees. My guess is if i breed anything long enough no matter how dirty the genes are to start, I can breed traits out and/or in.....and that not bad science...that just science.