point well taken roseyreps on the neg rep....I didn't know the "rules" about that till just today and didn't mean to dis anyone....

and boo to what you say about proving nothing, cause at the end of the day unless you have a degree in genetic science no ones an expert. I trust my community, so if someone sells me a lesser I turst they are telling the truth, but whats wrong with questioning the norm? The point is again.........and I could be wrong...is that we've been calling one the other so long that we've lost sight of what makes them a butter or a lesser. Educated guess, so if I breed for the traits, the rest will take care of it's self right? Lemurs, K-9's, even humans all over time can be "proven out". Close mindedness is a cancer, please don't let it in our community!