Where do you sell most of your normal hatchlings?

[snakeman13]

for some of the breeders out there, they have other snakes.
Some of these snakes, eat other snakes!!!
No more abundance of normals!!
Some may be offended by this, in the long run, it is just food for another snake.

If you think about it, it makes perfect sense.
You breed king snakes, great source of food. Cheap to produce.
Economically, you can't beat it.

[barbie.dragon]

for some of the breeders out there, they have other snakes.
Some of these snakes, eat other snakes!!!
No more abundance of normals!!
Some may be offended by this, in the long run, it is just food for another snake.

If you think about it, it makes perfect sense.
You breed king snakes, great source of food. Cheap to produce.
Economically, you can't beat it.

At least they have some sort of purpose. Oh god that sounded terribad bit yeah. I was thinking along the lines of: I don't need this, out the trash it goes. Or something like that.

[RoseyReps]

IMO people that abuse animals don't care about the price. If they have the money to buy an expensive animal they'll do it. And if they want to hurt the animal, they'll hurt them.

This. When I was in the market for red ackies a few years back we went to the Daytona show. In the entire expo, there was one vendor, who had ONE red ackie. I was pointed towards the cage, ran over there and was impatiently standing behind an older woman and what I presumed to be her grandson (looked to be around 8yrs old). They bought the ackie ($400 or $450 I believe). Later on at the show I happened to be standing next to the women at another table, so I leaned over and asked her if she would mind showing me the ackie, as I had never seen one in person. She said "Sure hun! Let me get him" She then proceeded to scrounge around in the free gift bag and pull out a deli cup. I couldn't really see him because of the paper towel, and I said "That's alright! I appreciate you trying" And she said "Hold on a minute hunny *Shakes the cup* I'll get him out of them towels *shakes*" Mortified, I begged her to stop and continued to say I really appreciated it but it was best for the baby to stay hidden. She said alright, shoved him back in the bag hanging loosely on her arm and went on her way. I cried, like seriously...I was that girl at the reptile show crying in the corner. I couldn't believe it.

So no, just because someone spends a good chunk of change on a pet, doesn't mean they are going to care for it properly. Better chance? Sure, but definitely not a promise.

I would never euthanize a normal just because it was a normal. I plan on keeping my normals if I cannot find them homes that I believe will do well. Does that guarantee survival and optimal living conditions? Heck no. But it's a chance we all take when selling any of the babies.

[barbie.dragon]

This. When I was in the market for red ackies a few years back we went to the Daytona show. In the entire expo, there was one vendor, who had ONE red ackie. I was pointed towards the cage, ran over there and was impatiently standing behind an older woman and what I presumed to be her grandson (looked to be around 8yrs old). They bought the ackie ($400 or $450 I believe). Later on at the show I happened to be standing next to the women at another table, so I leaned over and asked her if she would mind showing me the ackie, as I had never seen one in person. She said "Sure hun! Let me get him" She then proceeded to scrounge around in the free gift bag and pull out a deli cup. I couldn't really see him because of the paper towel, and I said "That's alright! I appreciate you trying" And she said "Hold on a minute hunny *Shakes the cup* I'll get him out of them towels *shakes*" Mortified, I begged her to stop and continued to say I really appreciated it but it was best for the baby to stay hidden. She said alright, shoved him back in the bag hanging loosely on her arm and went on her way. I cried, like seriously...I was that girl at the reptile show crying in the corner. I couldn't believe it.

So no, just because someone spends a good chunk of change on a pet, doesn't mean they are going to care for it properly. Better chance? Sure, but definitely not a promise.

I would never euthanize a normal just because it was a normal. I plan on keeping my normals if I cannot find them homes that I believe will do well. Does that guarantee survival and optimal living conditions? Heck no. But it's a chance we all take when selling any of the babies.

Wow that is very very VERY disturbing. Did I mention it was disturbing? I had a lady with three shih tzus come in every 3 months. She was very wealthy. But the dogs were in terrible condition. It took me 6 hours to brush out one dog. They were matted down to the skin, feces and urine matted into the mats. And even worse she insisted we keep a show cut instead of a puppy cut. Augh... Some people don't even realize what the hell they're doing or the fact that they're abusing animals...! /endrant

[joebad976]

Well, I might be wrong so feel free to correct me since I'm new to BPs. I've seen normals being handed out like candy at expos before and the ones that are on tables are no questions asked $5-15 purchases.

If folks just hand them out to whomever because they need to move them due to lack of rack space they will more often then not end up in the hands of people who will not treat them right.

I've seen this plenty of times with leopard geckos and crested geckos, folks would almost rather pay the replacement cost of $5-25 for the geckos instead of say....actually keeping them in proper conditions so they wouldn't die.

It is much less likely that someone will abuse a snake that is more expensive. Who pays for say a Killer Spinner at $3500 and then treats it terrible, no one. Also, you aren't hard pressed to clear out your rack of Killer Spinners so you can take the time to make sure the person your selling to knows their stuff.

Yeah you may want to stick to geckos if you are already talking about euthanizing normal ball pythons. I understand where you are coming from but that should never be an option.

To the OP, I have no problem selling normals. I mostly trade them for rats at a local pet shop. If you don't have that available to you look at the classifieds there is always someone willing to purchase entire clutches and so forth. Make some connections no need to euthanize.

[OctagonGecko729]

Sure, theres always exceptions to the rule. I was not trying to draw a causal line between low cost and abuse only a correlation.

In the same way that I'm sure you could point to me cases where people crash their cars on purpose but the majority of people who invest that kind of money will do everything in their power to prevent an accident. More so if they have spent a considerable amount of their income on it.

Now if you started offering ferraris for free and lets say there was no personal risk of injury. I guarantee you that you would see a huge spike in the number of ferraris purposefully driven to extreme speeds, carelessly driven, or crashed on purpose.

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Yeah you may want to stick to geckos if you are already talking about euthanizing normal ball pythons. I understand where you are coming from but that should never be an option.

To the OP, I have no problem selling normals. I mostly trade them for rats at a local pet shop. If you don't have that available to you look at the classifieds there is always someone willing to purchase entire clutches and so forth. Make some connections no need to euthanize.

And you may want to read my original post where I said.

"We purposefully are going with pairings that will at least throw pastel into everything this way we can get the animals into hands of competant owners. I always find that the cheapest of animals (normal BPs, cheap Monitor species, turtles, etc) are the most abused/neglected ."

[Solarsoldier001]

I would never euthanize normals. I'd rather off to my friends and family that would love to have them for free before that ever happens.



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[barbie.dragon]

You can't make a correlation without data. But besides the points, it depends on how much they value something. I have friends that drive $200,000 cars that don't care if they crash it while they cherish a dog yet adopted from the shelter for $150 dollars. Or one of my family friends euthanized his great dame that costed him $1500 because he didn't want to deal with taking care of the dog after surgery. Also I know people that take very good care of whatever they buy (expensive or not). If the person buys a snake to see it as a thing and not a livin animal then they won't give a flying feather if it does or not.

[SlitherinSisters]

I sell normals like hot cakes on craigslist!

[joebad976]

And you may want to read my original post where I said.

"We purposefully are going with pairings that will at least throw pastel into everything this way we can get the animals into hands of competant owners. I always find that the cheapest of animals (normal BPs, cheap Monitor species, turtles, etc) are the most abused/neglected ."

Right you did say that and when you produce all these pastels they will be selling for about the same price a normal does so will you then consider them the cheapest of animals as well?

As breeders we should educate our buyers to ensure the animal is not abused/neglected. Granted this may not cure abuse/neglect it is still better than euthanizing.