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[OctagonGecko729]

how about speed limits, drinking and driving, texting and driving, shoplifting, legal gun ownership, drug use, passing a stopped school bus? just to name a few.. how many teens are killed every year because of texting and driving? or people killed by morons who think drinking and driving is a flexable rule, our state had a mother of two killed by two shoplifters fleeing the scene, how many parents have to bury their children because someone thought 25 in a neighborhood is flexable? ect ect ect..

I'm not sure how speed limits actually make people slow down? Certainly isn't the case when I'm on the road. Not to mention most of the dangerous driving I've seen has been below 25mph, walmart parking lot anybody? Drinking and driving also isn't solved by laws against it. Texting laws just make people look at their phones in their laps instead of putting it up at steering wheel level and viewing the messages. Shoplifting is solved through ink dyes, locked cases, and private security guards more so then laws against shop lifting. How does legal gun ownership vs illegal gun ownership make a difference in who is going to commit violence? If guns were suddenly all made illegal tomarrow I certaintly wouldn't then suddenly find myself holding up a bank. How is drug use the cause of violence? Even if it is shouldn't we charge them with the violent act they committed not the nonviolent one of smoking some plant? The world really isn't all that dangerous for your average person who avoids putting themselves into bad situations, neighborhoods, etc.

Oh and how does any of this connect to the OP's personal preference of not going to church? I'm kinda confused, please explain.

[Freakie_frog]

I'm not sure how speed limits actually make people slow down? Certainly isn't the case when I'm on the road. Not to mention most of the dangerous driving I've seen has been below 25mph, walmart parking lot anybody? Drinking and driving also isn't solved by laws against it. Texting laws just make people look at their phones in their laps instead of putting it up at steering wheel level and viewing the messages. Shoplifting is solved through ink dyes, locked cases, and private security guards more so then laws against shop lifting. How does legal gun ownership vs illegal gun ownership make a difference in who is going to commit violence? If guns were suddenly all made illegal tomarrow I certaintly wouldn't then suddenly find myself holding up a bank. How is drug use the cause of violence? Even if it is shouldn't we charge them with the violent act they committed not the nonviolent one of smoking some plant? The world really isn't all that dangerous for your average person who avoids putting themselves into bad situations, neighborhoods, etc.

See you just made my point..even though there are rules non-flexiable rules inplace people don't follow them..As a parent it's my job to raise my children to not be like all the examples about you just gave.. Thank you.

Again like I'm not talking about the chruch thing I'm talking about a 17 year old person upset because of rules they don't like and don't think they should have to follow..Kind of like all the examples you gave above and I gave..It's not the rule that's worry some, its the mindset about the rule, I don't like it there for I shouldn't have to do it..

[OctagonGecko729]

See you just made my point..even though there are rules non-flexiable rules inplace people don't follow them..As a parent it's my job to raise my children to not be like all the examples about you just gave.. Thank you.

Again like I'm not talking about the chruch thing I'm talking about a 17 year old person upset because of rules they don't like and don't think they should have to follow..Kind of like all the examples you gave above and I gave..It's not the rule that's worry some, its the mindset about the rule, I don't like it there for I shouldn't have to do it..

I might have misunderstood your point of view so forgive me if I did.

From my understanding though you are saying that rules need to be non-flexible so people will follow them. All of the laws however aren't flexible, if you do X you get Y punishment. Pretty cut and dry to me and these rules are not followed.

[Freakie_frog]

I might have misunderstood your point of view so forgive me if I did.

From my understanding though you are saying that rules need to be non-flexible so people will follow them. All of the laws however aren't flexible, if you do X you get Y punishment. Pretty cut and dry to me and these rules are not followed.

I'm saying as a parent I have to set boundary's and teach my kids to follow them or except the consequences. So that later in life they understand the concept of breaking the law and what all that entails. Some rules are flexable as well they should be I just know which is which and treat them justly..

[Ridinandreptiles]

I'm confused, does everyone really beloved that if I don't/resist to go to a religious ceremony I'm gonna be a speeder,crook, etc? I have rules....plenty. Plus I have more financial and time responsibilities than most kids. Really, after school I work on animals all night and I don't really have a ton of friends.

When I have been probably their easiest kid plus I abide by all their rules. I'm not into religion; that's it. However no, I'm not living a prison

[OctagonGecko729]

I'm saying as a parent I have to set boundary's and teach my kids to follow them or except the consequences. So that later in life they understand the concept of breaking the law and what all that entails. Some rules are flexable as well they should be I just know which is which and treat them justly..

What boundary's are you teaching them to follow or accept the consequences? And what are the consequences?

[Freakie_frog]

What boundary's are you teaching them to follow or accept the consequences? And what are the consequences?

Well right now its things like don't throw blocks at the T.V. and biting is a "no no" soo yea.

[OctagonGecko729]

Well right now its things like don't throw blocks at the T.V. and biting is a "no no" soo yea.

Awesome , I think those are both great values to teach kids. Don't do things which might damage other peoples property and don't do things which hurt others. Thats all great so long as you are using logic to explain to them why. Typically though folks will just say dont do X, why?, because I said so and if you do not do as I say I will give you Y punishment. Which doesn't teach kids critical thinking or how to universalize concepts which is very important for empathy.

Not sure what that has to do with giving them structure so they obey laws though .

[Inknsteel]

Awesome , I think those are both great values to teach kids. Don't do things which might damage other peoples property and don't do things which hurt others. Thats all great so long as you are using logic to explain to them why. Typically though folks will just say dont do X, why?, because I said so and if you do not do as I say I will give you Y punishment. Which doesn't teach kids critical thinking or how to universalize concepts which is very important for empathy.

Not sure what that has to do with giving them structure so they obey laws though .

You are apparently not a parent... As a parent, it is your obligation to mentor your children into becoming the adults you want them to be. I want my children to become productive, law abiding members of society. I have to instill those values in my children from an early age, meaning teaching them right from wrong and teaching them that their actions will have consequences. That translates into breaking the law = consequences.

Having a parenting debate with non-parents is futile because until you ARE a parent, you won't know what it truly means and the responsibilities that go along with it (responsibility to not only your kids, but responsibility to society to ensure your kids aren't going to become hooligans or thugs without any respect for other people or property).

[OctagonGecko729]

You are apparently not a parent... As a parent, it is your obligation to mentor your children into becoming the adults you want them to be. I want my children to become productive, law abiding members of society. I have to instill those values in my children from an early age, meaning teaching them right from wrong and teaching them that their actions will have consequences. That translates into breaking the law = consequences.

Having a parenting debate with non-parents is futile because until you ARE a parent, you won't know what it truly means and the responsibilities that go along with it (responsibility to not only your kids, but responsibility to society to ensure your kids aren't going to become hooligans or thugs without any respect for other people or property).

Yeah and I have to be a cop to know that a cop that shoots a handcuffed citizen is a bad cop. I have to be a doctor to know that a doctor who amputates the wrong leg is a bad doctor. I have to be a politician to know what a good law is. I have to be a dentist to know how to brush my teeth. I have to be a football player to know what a good player is. etc