Parents

[Argentra]

On rules - yes, 'their house their rules'...but once rules cross That Line, it turns into a Tyranny situation. Rules should not be so concrete that compromises can't be reached, especially with an older teen.

On 'prison' - or rather the quote "As for comparing home to a prison, you got to be kidding." Why do you have to be kidding?? Home can indeed be a prison if that's how you're treated. If your parents act more like wardens, controlling every aspect of your life, then home is in fact a prison. I know someone whose life was like that. His parents repressed him in every way. Everything had to be their way or nothing. No compromise, no 'let's talk about this'. He was a prisoner in his own home...and the scariest part is that they never noticed what they were doing. They still don't see it to this day, and never will. He got out of there when he finally realized he had nothing left to lose - they'd taken it all away. And let me tell you...I saw all this. I'm VERY glad he chose to get the heck out of there... it allowed him to actually start living.
Sorry...that's a touchy subject for me...

Anyway, when parents refuse to compromise even when the 'child' tries to have a serious discussion on the topic, that's when respect no longer applies. Bottom line - respect is EARNED. By either party, parents or offspring.
If I were in this situation, I would start looking into options for getting another place to live once I was 18.

[Freakie_frog]

On rules - yes, 'their house their rules'...but once rules cross That Line, it turns into a Tyranny situation. Rules should not be so concrete that compromises can't be reached, especially with an older teen.

Anyway, when parents refuse to compromise even when the 'child' tries to have a serious discussion on the topic, that's when respect no longer applies. Bottom line - respect is EARNED. By either party, parents or offspring.
If I were in this situation, I would start looking into options for getting another place to live once I was 18.

Teens who think rules are flexiable are learning what when it comes to real life? Not all rules can or need to be flexiable. If rules for kids especially older teens aren't concrete how can you expect them to respect or even concider Laws that keep me and my family safe?

[OctagonGecko729]

Teens who think rules are flexiable are learning what when it comes to real life? Not all rules can or need to be flexiable. If rules for kids especially older teens aren't concrete how can you expect them to respect or even concider Laws that keep me and my family safe?

What laws would that be that keep you and your family safe?

[Freakie_frog]

What laws would that be that keep you and your family safe?

how about speed limits, drinking and driving, texting and driving, shoplifting, legal gun ownership, drug use, passing a stopped school bus? just to name a few.. how many teens are killed every year because of texting and driving? or people killed by morons who think drinking and driving is a flexable rule, our state had a mother of two killed by two shoplifters fleeing the scene, how many parents have to bury their children because someone thought 25 in a neighborhood is flexable? ect ect ect..If you don't get your kids to follow the little rules because you're flexable what makes you think someone who they don't know can get them to follow the big ones.

[OctagonGecko729]

how about speed limits, drinking and driving, texting and driving, shoplifting, legal gun ownership, drug use, passing a stopped school bus? just to name a few.. how many teens are killed every year because of texting and driving? or people killed by morons who think drinking and driving is a flexable rule, our state had a mother of two killed by two shoplifters fleeing the scene, how many parents have to bury their children because someone thought 25 in a neighborhood is flexable? ect ect ect..

I'm not sure how speed limits actually make people slow down? Certainly isn't the case when I'm on the road. Not to mention most of the dangerous driving I've seen has been below 25mph, walmart parking lot anybody? Drinking and driving also isn't solved by laws against it. Texting laws just make people look at their phones in their laps instead of putting it up at steering wheel level and viewing the messages. Shoplifting is solved through ink dyes, locked cases, and private security guards more so then laws against shop lifting. How does legal gun ownership vs illegal gun ownership make a difference in who is going to commit violence? If guns were suddenly all made illegal tomarrow I certaintly wouldn't then suddenly find myself holding up a bank. How is drug use the cause of violence? Even if it is shouldn't we charge them with the violent act they committed not the nonviolent one of smoking some plant? The world really isn't all that dangerous for your average person who avoids putting themselves into bad situations, neighborhoods, etc.

Oh and how does any of this connect to the OP's personal preference of not going to church? I'm kinda confused, please explain.

[Freakie_frog]

I'm not sure how speed limits actually make people slow down? Certainly isn't the case when I'm on the road. Not to mention most of the dangerous driving I've seen has been below 25mph, walmart parking lot anybody? Drinking and driving also isn't solved by laws against it. Texting laws just make people look at their phones in their laps instead of putting it up at steering wheel level and viewing the messages. Shoplifting is solved through ink dyes, locked cases, and private security guards more so then laws against shop lifting. How does legal gun ownership vs illegal gun ownership make a difference in who is going to commit violence? If guns were suddenly all made illegal tomarrow I certaintly wouldn't then suddenly find myself holding up a bank. How is drug use the cause of violence? Even if it is shouldn't we charge them with the violent act they committed not the nonviolent one of smoking some plant? The world really isn't all that dangerous for your average person who avoids putting themselves into bad situations, neighborhoods, etc.

See you just made my point..even though there are rules non-flexiable rules inplace people don't follow them..As a parent it's my job to raise my children to not be like all the examples about you just gave.. Thank you.

Again like I'm not talking about the chruch thing I'm talking about a 17 year old person upset because of rules they don't like and don't think they should have to follow..Kind of like all the examples you gave above and I gave..It's not the rule that's worry some, its the mindset about the rule, I don't like it there for I shouldn't have to do it..

[OctagonGecko729]

See you just made my point..even though there are rules non-flexiable rules inplace people don't follow them..As a parent it's my job to raise my children to not be like all the examples about you just gave.. Thank you.

Again like I'm not talking about the chruch thing I'm talking about a 17 year old person upset because of rules they don't like and don't think they should have to follow..Kind of like all the examples you gave above and I gave..It's not the rule that's worry some, its the mindset about the rule, I don't like it there for I shouldn't have to do it..

I might have misunderstood your point of view so forgive me if I did.

From my understanding though you are saying that rules need to be non-flexible so people will follow them. All of the laws however aren't flexible, if you do X you get Y punishment. Pretty cut and dry to me and these rules are not followed.