furthest thing form disgusting

[johnmauser]

Well she just ate for me about 20 minutes ago. So it seems our little outing didn't stress her out at all. It took her about 5 minutes to kill the mouse too.

Have you tried offering a frozen/thawed rat to her yet?

[tesslyn]

Have you tried offering a frozen/thawed rat to her yet?

Nope not yet. This is the first time I have fed her. The man I got her from strictly fed her live mice and he said he tried to switch her to f/t before but she didn't take to them. I plan on switching her to rats next feeding because mice are way too small for her. Then maybe after I get her on rats I'll try switching to f/t.

[RoseyReps]

13 total posts, 4 of which in this thread...

TROLL ALERT!!!

Well, that would be a very dedicated troll indeed. Seeing how she has posted an intro thread, pic thread, other animal thread, and feeding questions...since joining on the 26th...all just to post this one topic that you believe is stupid.
*slow clap*
I guess you started out in life knowing everything and never made any mistakes...man I wish I was more like you
I feel like your meme could be used to describe your post more accurately than the OPs, but I don't like calling people names

To tess: Glad she ate for you! Hope the switch to rats / f/t goes well For future reference (if you ever get another snake, which you probably will hehe) it is often advised to let your new arrival settle in for a week or so before handling or until they eat 2-3 times for you. Not all of the bps out there are good eaters! (sometimes it's just best to be cautious, but I'm a worry wart so... )

[cecilbturtle]

Ok, sorry, but the whole "it's so stressful for the snake" thing is just plain incorrect. I mean it could be, but it depends on the individual snake. I REGULARLY (as in EVERY SATURDAY) take a few out of my collection to the local Exotic pet store for a little public education on reptiles. There are a couple that I don't take because they did seem stressed the first time, but there are a few that go with me almost every time. My pied female is very social and inquisitive, but is not stressed. "How do I know she's not stressed"? Well, if you believe everything you read about ball python care (like how they are antisocial, or that you have to get them on a feeding schedule, or that you can't feed them in the same tub they live in) then you know that a stressed bp won't eat. My pied eats every time we get back from the store, and we spend about 4 hours there. There are so many incorrect, broad generalized statements about ball pythons that even most of the people in the hobby believe them, instead of taking the time to learn about each snake. They DO have individual personalities.

To the op:
If you feel like you know your bp well enough to know when it is sressed and when it is not, and it is not stressed when you take it out, then feel free my friend; we need MORE people like you to educate the public, instead of hiding them away like we know they are evil...

(Oh, and by the way...NO I don't feed on "every tuesday at 7 pm" schedule....when they look hungry (again, I've learned and can tell whether or not they will eat) I feed them. And I feed them in their own tub. And NO, I don't have ANY that are "cage aggressive" or confuse my hand for a rat.)

And before I get a bunch of hate mail....I have been doing this for about 4 years....No, I've never brought home any mites or respiratory infections, No, no one has been bitten, Yes, I have people sanitize before and after handling my snakes, and YES I have helped several people over their fear of snakes (one lady now owns a ball python because of our visit)

I totally agree that it depends on the individual snake. I have been keeping for 25+ years and have worked with thousands of animals. I also worked with a group of snake keepers and zoo keepers that took animals around to schools and events to help educate and quell fears. What I have learned through my experience is that its not if a snake will get stressed out in a public setting it is when. Some snakes, as you have said, are different. They just have a greater tolerance for that type of activity and will seem calm much longer. These were the animals we showed. Usually the snake will give you "warnings" to tell you he's done. Ignoring these warnings is unacceptable. If you aren't sure of the warnings then do NOT take them. (This is not directed at you, just a generalization)

I do, however, disagree with you that it is our responsibility to educate the public. Most people who fear snakes are perfectly happy fearing them. They don't hate them they just don't want anyone shoving them in their faces. They don't want to be out somewhere and turn around to see one. That is a great way to get people to hate them. Taking them to a pet store, fine. Taking them to a show, fine. Taking them to the mall, not fine.

"Force educating" people who do not want it is ridiculous. You might as well force your religion and politics on someone.


Oh, and by the way, I don't keep a strict schedule on my animals either. I try to stay somewhat consistent but, again like you said, knowing your animals is more important than trying to stick with a regimented schedule.

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Definitely not a troll.

She is listening and interacting and learning. That is to be respected.

For any of us to say we know all the answers and have always done everything exactly right is insane. We all find a way to make the best out of our own individual situations. What works for you might not work for me. The fact that she is here to learn and share is fantastic! I wish everyone who owned herps would come to this forum or one like it to learn. Care sheets are vague and pet store employees are not always the most educated or experienced keepers.

Tesslyn,
Welcome and take what you read on this forum with a grain of salt. Do not take everything written here as gospel. Take the information and do what is best for YOU and YOUR snakes. And by all means post pics!!! We all love to see snakes and other herps and I personally love to see peoples setups and snake rooms!

Good Luck!

[Stewart_Reptiles]

I do, however, disagree with you that it is our responsibility to educate the public. Most people who fear snakes are perfectly happy fearing them. They don't hate them they just don't want anyone shoving them in their faces. They don't want to be out somewhere and turn around to see one. That is a great way to get people to hate them. Taking them to a pet store, fine. Taking them to a show, fine. Taking them to the mall, not fine.

"Force educating" people who do not want it is ridiculous. You might as well force your religion and politics on someone.

Could not agree more

For those who think it is a great idea to take your snake out in public (mall, park , etc) think again, this industry is under tremendous scrutiny, over the last couple of years legislation have been threatening our rights to keep reptiles (some were successful).

Forcing people to be subjected to YOUR pet snake does nothing but give ammunition to those trying to take our right away from us, so use common sense because YOUR actions reflect on our entire community.

[tcutting]

Well, that would be a very dedicated troll indeed. Seeing how she has posted an intro thread, pic thread, other animal thread, and feeding questions...since joining on the 26th...all just to post this one topic that you believe is stupid.
*slow clap*
I guess you started out in life knowing everything and never made any mistakes...man I wish I was more like you
I feel like your meme could be used to describe your post more accurately than the OPs, but I don't like calling people names

To tess: Glad she ate for you! Hope the switch to rats / f/t goes well For future reference (if you ever get another snake, which you probably will hehe) it is often advised to let your new arrival settle in for a week or so before handling or until they eat 2-3 times for you. Not all of the bps out there are good eaters! (sometimes it's just best to be cautious, but I'm a worry wart so... )

based on your response, just an FYI, but it exhibits the same mind set and behavior you are flaming me for. Hi pot im kettle.

But when someone is new to a forum and posts something that will most certainly stir the pot and cause a bit of ruckus, you are darn right it smells of trolling. and trolls by nature are very dedicated. Now call me crazy for thinking so, but if i am wrong then great I welcome any and all new comers. but you cant tell me it doesnt have a scent of troll.

to the OP: everyone seems to have covered it pretty well thus far.

[tesslyn]

based on your response, just an FYI, but it exhibits the same mind set and behavior you are flaming me for. Hi pot im kettle.

But when someone is new to a forum and posts something that will most certainly stir the pot and cause a bit of ruckus, you are darn right it smells of trolling. and trolls by nature are very dedicated. Now call me crazy for thinking so, but if i am wrong then great I welcome any and all new comers. but you cant tell me it doesnt have a scent of troll.

to the OP: everyone seems to have covered it pretty well thus far.

Here's the funny thing about calling me a "troll", I honestly don't even know what that means. So how could I be a said "troll" if I dont even know what it means? I apologize that my thread has caused a stir amoung your community, however, as I have stated before, I was unaware of the implications of my actions. All I am trying to do is learn here, and for people to point fingers and call me a "troll" is undoubtedly not a welcoming community. How do you think this looks for newcomers like me to see that a harmless post can turn into something as big as this, where people are calling me names that I don't even understand. I thought this was supposed to be a welcomig community where I could learn how to better care for my animal, but that is not what it has turned into for me. This environment has turned into a hostile one at best. I appreciate and thank those who have seen me as someone simply trying to learn, and yes I have learned from my experience, which is what my goal was in the beginning. I made a mistake, I learned from it, and I grew from it. If anyone should be learning here it should be the people calling me troll, learn about someone and ask questions before you flat out decide to judge someone based off of one mistake.

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13 total posts, 4 of which in this thread...

TROLL ALERT!!!

Here's the funny thing about calling me a "troll", I honestly don't even know what that means. So how could I be a said "troll" if I dont even know what it means? I apologize that my thread has caused a stir amoung your community, however, as I have stated before, I was unaware of the implications of my actions. All I am trying to do is learn here, and for people to point fingers and call me a "troll" is undoubtedly not a welcoming community. How do you think this looks for newcomers like me to see that a harmless post can turn into something as big as this, where people are calling me names that I don't even understand. I thought this was supposed to be a welcomig community where I could learn how to better care for my animal, but that is not what it has turned into for me. This environment has turned into a hostile one at best. I appreciate and thank those who have seen me as someone simply trying to learn, and yes I have learned from my experience, which is what my goal was in the beginning. I made a mistake, I learned from it, and I grew from it. If anyone should be learning here it should be the people calling me troll, learn about someone and ask questions before you flat out decide to judge someone based off of one mistake.

[ballpythonluvr]

Don't worry about those that accuse you of being a troll. You made a mistake, and you have learned from it, that is all that really matters now. I apologize if I came across as being rude. I am just very passionate about my hobby and the animals that I love so much.

[DooLittle]

This is a good forum, don't let it get to you. Everybody is just here to help, and everybody here is very passionate about their snakes. However, there is one thing you can't do, and that's join this site without posting pictures of your snake! . So let's see em!

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[tesslyn]

This is a good forum, don't let it get to you. Everybody is just here to help, and everybody here is very passionate about their snakes. However, there is one thing you can't do, and that's join this site without posting pictures of your snake! . So let's see em!

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This is lola on our way home from picking her up





And this is my three toed box turtle Jasper



And this is my savannah cat Nala



And this is my calico Bella



I also have a leopard gecko named dash but he didn't want to come out for a picture.

Just thought you should meet the whole family.

A little about me btw. I graduated on 2011 and moved out at 18. I work full time and go to school, I have one more quarter before I will graduate with my degree. I absolutely love reptiles, obviously