yes or no?

[Annarose15]

I have popped the pastel many times and she screams female. No hemipenes and has the 2 white bumps. I am going to have it sexed for me to be sure. I'm still new to this and just trying to learn. I found the guy selling them through CL and haven't spoke to him yet to find out if there are papers but for $250 it might be worth taking a chance. I don't know much about axthantics so I'm trying to learn something new.

Even if his hets are all legitimate, that would put you at 4 males and 3 females, none of whom can interbreed and produce visuals of ANY of the recessive genes at play. To me, that would be like buying 10 bird feeders because they're a "great deal", but living in Antarctica so I will never have any reason to use them.

And I still stand by my warning about the "het genetic banded" assertion.

[BWyant]

It's not a steal if all the supposed hets are just normal males, one with some extra speckles that Joe Blow is calling a granite.

You've got a point there.

Even still though, four normals could sell for.... on the low end, 100 bucks.... If they're adults, a lot more.

If it's me and I've got the $250, for that package, knowing the risks, I'm buying.

It would definitely be wise to ask for a ton of pictures of these snakes and look for het markers though.

[ktaylor89]

Even if his hets are all legitimate, that would put you at 4 males and 3 females, none of whom can interbreed and produce visuals of ANY of the recessive genes at play. To me, that would be like buying 10 bird feeders because they're a "great deal", but living in Antarctica so I will never have any reason to use them.

And I still stand by my warning about the "het genetic banded" assertion.

That is what I was wondering. I wasn't sure if there was any combos to put together with what I would have. Thank you! This answers my question

[BWyant]

And I still stand by my warning about the "het genetic banded" assertion.

Now that one, I'm definitely with you. I've never heard of such a thing either.

And I do agree that it's a bit like buying bird feeders... But it would be more like buying them with plans of moving to Florida...

[Annarose15]

You've got a point there.

Even still though, four normals could sell for.... on the low end, 100 bucks.... If they're adults, a lot more.

If it's me and I've got the $250, for that package, knowing the risks, I'm buying.

It would definitely be wise to ask for a ton of pictures of these snakes and look for het markers though.

I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I've given away adult normal males because there just isn't much market for that size snake with relatively no breeding value. Anyone can take pictures of their snakes and type up "het" papers. I would vaguely consider it if the paperwork was from a well-known breeder that would confirm it came from them originally. Oh, and there are no het markers for lavendar albinos and axanthics.

ADD: And if you're moving to Florida with your feeders, wouldn't it be smarter to buy them in two years, once you have the chicks to breed...er...feed them with?

[Mike41793]

Even still though, four normals could sell for.... on the low end, 100 bucks.... If they're adults, a lot more.

Tell me more, im intrigued... What's the high end for four adult male normals?

[rabernet]

The bolded part would be a red flag to me. Although I am aware of some codom lines of genetic banding, I have not heard of a recessive line that would therefore yield a het. Also, you can pair a VPI axanthic to an SK axanthic all day long, but you won't get any axanthics because they are not compatible with each other.

Why do you "believe" the citrus pastel is a female?

Bengal is NERD's recessive genetic banded. Not aware of any other recessive line.

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[Annarose15]

Bengal is NERD's recessive genetic banded. Not aware of any other recessive line.

Yes, that actual crossed my mind, and I stand corrected. I made the assumption (oops!) that a seller would refer to it as Bengal, not just het genetic banded, if they knew what it was.