IBD possibly caused by newly discovered rodent virus!

[Skiploder]

I rarely post here so there is a high likelihood that many/most here do not know who I am and so you will probably question my credibility. So be it. Those of you who do know who I am will understand why I am posting now. To anyone who wants to know more about me and my credibility, you can find my postings in other haunts.

Now, on with the show.

I have read the actual research article and I can assure you that the science behind it is absolutely accurate. This is not some smokescreen money-laundering, sheep:cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r:ers propaganda as Skip is trying to make people believe. I would bet good money that Skip did not even bother to read the real article and is just going off of the major media garbage that is floating around out there. And as far as Skips linking to things Jeff has said in the past... I would love to see Jeff's PhD that gives him the authority to decide anything about microbiology, infectious diseases, genetics, or any science for that matter. Just because Jeff keeps snakes does not mean he knows one whit about science. And something Jeff said 7 years ago should not be held as absolute fact today. The world is not static, new information is learned all the time and people can and do change their minds. And if Jeff still wants to say that IBD is not real and if Skip still wants to say that this article is bull:cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r:... So be it. Facts do not change simply because you chose to ignore them.


To clear up some of the things I have seen people here asking/saying...

The study does not definitively identify these viruses as the source for IBD. However, it does postulate that these viruses are a very likely candidate hence the specific choice of words in the title of the article. The only thing missing to prove the newly discovered agents are the cause would be by executing Koch's Postulate. As reactive as the herp world is I am not surprised that the authors did not set out to do that, they did the next best thing however with their work on cultured cells.

The viruses described in the article are a new clade of a family of viruses that, until now, has only been found in mammals, primarily, but not exclusively, rodents. Think of it as basically being a newly discovered species related to a know species. It is never really a surprise when a new species is discovered, it is only a surprise when one is discovered somewhere no one bothered to look on the assumption that there was nothing there. And that last is exactly what happened here, it was assumed that these types of viruses only occurred in mammals so no one ever bothered looking for them anywhere else. the great thing about science is that it is self-correcting. So, in addition to finding a new clade of viruses we have also corrected a mistaken assumption that this type of virus can only be found in mammals.

It is extremely unlikely that the specific viruses discovered and described in the article are transmitted or even able to be carried by rodents (or humans for that matter). Viruses are very host-specific and do not often jump species and those viruses that do jump are most often between self-similar animals. So the potential for a virus that is specific to the unique cellular biochemistry found in a reptile to jump into a mammalian host is on the none side of a slim to none chance. If you have even a basic comprehension of cladistics then the the phylogeny trees in the article will further support the unlikelihood. If you do not understand phylogeny trees then think of it like this: starting with yourself, go backwards on your own family tree eight generations and then climb back up by an entirely different path. You and the person you come back to are technically "family" but your are about as related to them as you are to me. It is that same degree of "family" that GGV and CASV have with the known mammalian viruses in this family. So put to rest any ideas that animals are getting IBD from bad feeder rodents.


My biggest suggestion is that people who are interested read the actual article at the link that was posted. If you have questions about it, ask someone who knows what they are talking about. Not some wanker like Skip who quite obviously has an axe to grind

Looks like someone didn't read my link and has a hard time with concept of sarcasm. Or maybe you couldn't grasp that I was raking his Majesty the Boaphile over the coals for his incredibly backwards and self centered reasons for being an IBD denier. My entire post was so over the top sarcastic and inane that I figured that only the most idiotic of idiots would take it seriously...........

Congratulations, you just illustrated to the entire community what a humorless twit you are - and that your reading comprehension level is diddly over squat. Next time pull your head out of your rectum before you post.

It's obvious if any axes need to be ground around here, your thick skull would make an excellent sharpener. Any credibility you have bucko, just dissapeared. People are laughing their butts off that you took that post seriously.

Hope that helps,

Skip

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This cannot be true!

I have it on the bestest of authorities that IBD DOES NOT EXIST!

All of the people who have been devastated by it or lost beloved pets by it have been fooled by some vast conspiracy.

Don't believe me? Well maybe you will believe the utmost authority on all things boa:

http://www.pethobbyist.com/articles/...tJeffRonne.htm

Scroll down to:

roxydementia: what do you think the future holds for IBD research? i have had 2 suspec boas (did not know where to send them back then to be sure) but no one else in the collection was infected its been years. i now run an informal rescue and keep new ones out at least 6 months, but that limits me on space big time, any experiance or advice for me? (any interest in donating cages to a rescue LOL)
rzaology: ?

boaphile: It is a really long story... but I do not believe IBD exists. I need to write this up along with all my many many years of anecdotal evedence garnered from tons of people who had been told differently. I can't expalin it all now that is for sure. GA


and:

http://www.kingsnake.com/chat/jeff_ronne.html

RonB- IBD, your thoughts?
TheBoaphile - I don't believe in it. Long story.
TheBoaphile - Too long to explain here. I need to write something up on it...
TheBoaphile - The IBD wackos are moving away from their once long held, bordering on religeous, belief about it now...

See, all you IBD "whackos" have been misled. THERE IS NO IBD!

So sorry ER12, IBD exists in the same magical land as the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and OJ Simpson's innocence! You have been suckered in by the conspiracy. One of these days the Boaphile will come around with his comprehensive write up including all of his evidence and put this sad farce to bed once and for all.

Elliott Jacobson and his program at UF will be unmasked for the money laundering operation that funds the sheep sex trade in Kazakhstan. And Buchmeir will be exposed as the Kris Kardashian of the Microbiology and Epidemiology community - selling his soul for fame. Wait and see! Wait and see!

Bumping this to the top.

Re-read it very carefully Asplundii.............do you see the sarcasm? Do you see how over the top it is?

Do you get it now or do I have to take you line by line through it?