IBD possibly caused by newly discovered rodent virus!

[Skiploder]

This cannot be true!

I have it on the bestest of authorities that IBD DOES NOT EXIST!

All of the people who have been devastated by it or lost beloved pets by it have been fooled by some vast conspiracy.

Don't believe me? Well maybe you will believe the utmost authority on all things boa:

http://www.pethobbyist.com/articles/...tJeffRonne.htm

Scroll down to:

roxydementia: what do you think the future holds for IBD research? i have had 2 suspec boas (did not know where to send them back then to be sure) but no one else in the collection was infected its been years. i now run an informal rescue and keep new ones out at least 6 months, but that limits me on space big time, any experiance or advice for me? (any interest in donating cages to a rescue LOL)
rzaology: ?

boaphile: It is a really long story... but I do not believe IBD exists. I need to write this up along with all my many many years of anecdotal evedence garnered from tons of people who had been told differently. I can't expalin it all now that is for sure. GA


and:

http://www.kingsnake.com/chat/jeff_ronne.html

RonB- IBD, your thoughts?
TheBoaphile - I don't believe in it. Long story.
TheBoaphile - Too long to explain here. I need to write something up on it...
TheBoaphile - The IBD wackos are moving away from their once long held, bordering on religeous, belief about it now...

See, all you IBD "whackos" have been misled. THERE IS NO IBD!

So sorry ER12, IBD exists in the same magical land as the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and OJ Simpson's innocence! You have been suckered in by the conspiracy. One of these days the Boaphile will come around with his comprehensive write up including all of his evidence and put this sad farce to bed once and for all.

Elliott Jacobson and his program at UF will be unmasked for the money laundering operation that funds the sheep sex trade in Kazakhstan. And Buchmeir will be exposed as the Kris Kardashian of the Microbiology and Epidemiology community - selling his soul for fame. Wait and see! Wait and see!

[Mike41793]

You shush up Skip, the glove didnt fit!

I KNEW you would bring up the Ronne interview if you saw this thread lol.

[Skiploder]

You shush up Skip, the glove didnt fit!

I KNEW you would bring up the Ronne interview if you saw this thread lol.

InterviewS.


There was more than one.

[OhhWatALoser]

InterviewS.


There was more than one.

ill read the link sometime tomorrow, but for a short hand version, what causes the IBD like symptoms then? I have personally witnessed it before I owned my first snake, at an ex girlfriend's.

She kept 3 ball pythons together in a cage (I knew next to nothing about reptiles at the time, she was the "expert" back then) well she bought a boa and kept it in a different cage, but she had them all out together all the time and they no doubt got exposure to each other (she was one of those "they're all friends"....) . id say about 2 weeks after the boa came home, one of the ball pythons (smallest one) started stargazing, stopped eating, neuro problem got worse and eventually died, not even a few days after the next one started the same process. even before that one died, the largest one started the process. She never had them tested or anything, but from what I was reading, it followed right along with IBD. About all I can say is, it affected the smallest one first and largest one last, but they all had it happen.

[Skiploder]

ill read the link sometime tomorrow, but for a short hand version, what causes the IBD like symptoms then? I have personally witnessed it before I owned my first snake, at an ex girlfriend's.

She kept 3 ball pythons together in a cage (I knew next to nothing about reptiles at the time, she was the "expert" back then) well she bought a boa and kept it in a different cage, but she had them all out together all the time and they no doubt got exposure to each other (she was one of those "they're all friends"....) . id say about 2 weeks after the boa came home, one of the ball pythons (smallest one) started stargazing, stopped eating, neuro problem got worse and eventually died, not even a few days after the next one started the same process. even before that one died, the largest one started the process. She never had them tested or anything, but from what I was reading, it followed right along with IBD. About all I can say is, it affected the smallest one first and largest one last, but they all had it happen.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ight=inclusion

[wwmjkd]

InterviewS.


There was more than one.

I've read the interviews quoted and a fair amount of ancillary articles by others denying the existence/impact of IBD as well, but I am curious to know whether he ever followed up to elaborate on that 'long story.' that's a pretty weighty categorical statement to put out there and then walk away.

also the 'Kris Kardashian of the Microbiology and Epidemiology community' line is gold.

[Skiploder]

I've read the interviews quoted and a fair amount of ancillary articles by others denying the existence/impact of IBD as well, but I am curious to know whether he ever followed up to elaborate on that 'long story.' that's a pretty weighty categorical statement to put out there and then walk away.

also the 'Kris Kardashian of the Microbiology and Epidemiology community' line is gold.

Not that he ever named anyone directly, Parker, but Dr. Jacobsen has stated in interviews that the boa breeding community has been less than supportive in terms of funding or promoting awareness of the illness and the ongoing research.


You would think that they would have been more supportive.................makes you think........

[loonunit]

So, reading the 2011 thread, I guess my question is: will this new research provide a more accurate test?

(And... we're sure, then, that rodents are definitely NEVER the vectors of transmission? I'm confused on this point.)

[Salamander Rising]

http://news.yahoo.com/deadly-virus-r...155028124.html

Color me skeptical.

Is this going to be a new angle to outlaw the keeping of reptiles?

[Kaorte]

I hate the comments. they make me so depressed.