Is there a pic floating around of the super cinni pied? I would like to see the difference too! I love that panda pied, but if it's true it's a ringer doesn't that mean non-genetic? Or am I confused about ringers.

I'm still interested in dinking around with a possible 8 ball pied (cinni x blk pastel) I'm sure it's gorgeous even if it's not the panda.

If theory is super blk pastel pied = panda pied
then panda pied x panda pied would yield 100% I believe?
I'm still getting my feet wet with genetics as well. So don't take my word for it. Wait for the experts