What shall I get?

[LocoKen]

My advice to anyone starting out, get girls, and get codoms/doms unless you are familiar with recessives and want to start working with them right away. I prefer codoms since you can make supers fairly fast. I say get females, because you can worry about males in 2-3 years while your girls are growing up.

May I ask a stupid question? What makes a super a super?

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You just found some good people in your area and you didnt have to look too long or far



Dom=visual paint job with no super form..................Example here

Codom= visual paint job WITH a super form.............Visual here Super here

Recessive is a whole ball of worms LOL=two copies of the SAME gene to get a visual.............My favorite here
This is where the "het" comes into play because one copy makes a normal looking snake that carries the gene.

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BTW........Simpleman is a good guy and you can find him here in this site

Some good little tidbits of info you gave there, Pit! I like the examples, too!

And I'll have to look up Simpleman and see if he's willing to meet sometime.

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Lol, I love anything pied personally, but I will also be trying for bees het hypo this coming season. This is my first year breeding and I have 2 clutches, the first is actually hatching tonight!
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=178339
Simple is south of you, and I would love to get a ball from him someday soon, and he makes snake and rat racks! I can't brag on him enough : ). I'm not 100% sure where Wapadi is but I saw some of her snakes at the last expo, the pastel was stunning! And good sized too, man I wanted to take that snake home! SnakesRkewl is in Oregon and has beautiful Yellowbellies and clowns. I got Loki from him and everything was perfect. There are a few others I am missing as well, sorry guys!
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=121411

Don't know what het means, but I'll bet it is something good! The bees are also intriguing to me as well.

And thanks for info on other breeders/fellow neighbors. Your help is not going unnoticed!

[aidenangel]

It sounds like you might also be interested in axanthics. You and I have similar tastes in morphs. As far as expos you have the emerald city reptile expo in Seattle. Sadly it was the beginning of June. But I would just google reptile expos in Washington and see if there's more coming up cause there should be with all the hatching going on! Good luck! Ball pythons are the most docile, sweet and amazing snake you can own! My children handle ours all the time never been bit or struck at.

[LocoKen]

It sounds like you might also be interested in axanthics. You and I have similar tastes in morphs.

And you would be correct, Aiden! Just checked them out and they are definitely a beautiful morph! It's on my list!

[ringoyam]

you guys in washington don't know how lucky you are, im up here on vancouver island where we have jokers like this http://www.usedvictoria.com/classifi...-SALE_17315485



good luck with your breeding

[Sama]

I liked the way Ralph Davis explained genetics.
http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/matrix/
Hopefully it can help you as well!

[zach_24_90]

If your going to go the way of a spider, pastel, stuff like that I would start off with a minimum two gene male. It will put you farther ahead and save you some headache in the Long run.

[Andybill]

Simpleman is in Tacoma. Wapadi is in Silverdale so thats your best bet. Anatopism is in Oly. I am in shelton but this will be my first year breeding so I am not a breeder yet i guess... I am pretty sure we will all be happy to help you out, ofcourse if you dont mind the drive. You can also PM anyone of them and ask some questions.

[SlitherinSisters]

I'm all about getting females right now, babies that is, as my price range probably won't support the adults or very expensive ones. I agree that I should get some time under my belt learning how to take care of these new "pets" but I also would like to get into breeding within the next 6-12 months. That's about the time I could afford to pick up one or two really nice females to use for breeding. I don't want to get into a huge breeding operation like BHB, but I would like to have about 10 females or more some day as breeders. I'm also not looking to make bank on them, but don't want to lose money either. It'll be just an expensive hobby that hopefully can pay for itself and have some creative cash on the side.

I'm also not too understanding yet of all the jargon when it comes to recessives, codoms/doms (I have to chuckle, I first read this as condoms. Oops.) I kinda have an idea of what's being said, but I haven't been a breeder of anything except for rabbits when I was a kid and didn't experiment across strains or species. I've got a lot to learn in that department. My son and I bought a book to get started but it's just a basic information book from the pet store. I've learned more by spending loads of time on this forum than I did in that book.

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You'll probably want to get some adult normal females if you want to start breeding that soon. I definitely regret not buying all girls when I first started since I didn't start breeding for a couple years. I bought too many boys when I started!

Trust me, I have to double check myself every time I write codoms, lol. Codominate morphs (codoms) are a visual morph that have a super form. If you breed two codoms together they will make a super form, sometimes it's just a better looking version of that morph, or it's completely different, like the Blue Eyed Luecy -a white snake with blue eyes. Some codoms are: pastels, mojaves, butters, lessers, cinnamons, black pastels

Dominate morphs are visual morphs with no super form. Some doms are: pintripes, spiders,

Recessives are difficult. There are visual recessives (they look like the morph) and het recessives (they look normal, but carry the gene to make the recessive morph). You can have 100% hets, 66% hets and 50% hets (you really don't bother going less than 50%). Those percentages are the chance that the snake carries the gene. Both parents have to carry the recessive gene in order to make a visual recessive morph. You cannot breed a visual recessive morph to a normal and get anything other than normal looking babies that are het for that recessive gene. Some recessive morphs are: pieds, ghosts, albinos,

We have a great genetics section on this site you can read through and learn a little more. These are just the basics.

[LocoKen]

you guys in washington don't know how lucky you are, im up here on vancouver island where we have jokers like this http://www.usedvictoria.com/classifi...-SALE_17315485



good luck with your breeding

That's hilarious! I wonder if they get out much. Like, to a pet store.

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I liked the way Ralph Davis explained genetics.
http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/matrix/
Hopefully it can help you as well!

This is making more sense for each reading I do, but it's gonna take awhile!

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If your going to go the way of a spider, pastel, stuff like that I would start off with a minimum two gene male. It will put you farther ahead and save you some headache in the Long run.

Doing my research now to find out what that really means. I'm guessing that it's two dominant genes that will reciprocate themselves in the babies, or have a better chance of getting the babies you want out of the parents, right?

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Simpleman is in Tacoma. Wapadi is in Silverdale so thats your best bet. Anatopism is in Oly. I am in shelton but this will be my first year breeding so I am not a breeder yet i guess... I am pretty sure we will all be happy to help you out, ofcourse if you dont mind the drive. You can also PM anyone of them and ask some questions.

Thanks for the info, Andy! It would be nice to get some local contacts here to share things with, even if it's just a photo every now and then. Wapadi seems to have a nice collection. Would be nice to visit them someday as they are right in my backyard. Again, thanks Andy!

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You'll probably want to get some adult normal females if you want to start breeding that soon. I definitely regret not buying all girls when I first started since I didn't start breeding for a couple years. I bought too many boys when I started!

Trust me, I have to double check myself every time I write codoms, lol. Codominate morphs (codoms) are a visual morph that have a super form. If you breed two codoms together they will make a super form, sometimes it's just a better looking version of that morph, or it's completely different, like the Blue Eyed Luecy -a white snake with blue eyes. Some codoms are: pastels, mojaves, butters, lessers, cinnamons, black pastels

Dominate morphs are visual morphs with no super form. Some doms are: pintripes, spiders,

Recessives are difficult. There are visual recessives (they look like the morph) and het recessives (they look normal, but carry the gene to make the recessive morph). You can have 100% hets, 66% hets and 50% hets (you really don't bother going less than 50%). Those percentages are the chance that the snake carries the gene. Both parents have to carry the recessive gene in order to make a visual recessive morph. You cannot breed a visual recessive morph to a normal and get anything other than normal looking babies that are het for that recessive gene. Some recessive morphs are: pieds, ghosts, albinos,

We have a great genetics section on this site you can read through and learn a little more. These are just the basics.

Thanks for the help, SS! I've been a little busy the last few days and haven't had much time to do any reading online here but I have gotten a little further ahead with everyone's awesome assistance. Glad to have found such a great site! Trust me, though. I will still be asking noob questions here. Sometimes I find it better to just ask because going through the mountains of information can get a little confusing sometimes. And I like to learn as much as I can about everything. Thanks again!

[LocoKen]

Here's my next stupid question. What does the information in some people's signatures pertain to in terms of the numbering before an animals description?
Such as this:

1.0 Pastel
0.1 Spider
2.2 Cats
1.0 Wife

Yeah, I know. This is about the stupidest question you've heard to date. But hey, I'm good for asking stooooopid ?'s.