Help identify my leo

[gsarchie]

I'll say that it is a patternless albino. I've had patternless het albino leos and albino leos but never a patternless albino. Again, pretty sure they had it labeled correctly. The question now is whether it is a Las Vegas, Tremper or Bell albino! Of course if you don't intend to breed it is irrelevant. Nice looking animal!

[californiakingsnake]

Thats the thing though, I am interested in breeding him. Say I wanted to breed him to a patternless mack snow, what i label the offspring as?

[gsarchie]

The offspring would all be patternless het albino. Half of them would be also be mack snow (and it would be obvious which ones were). You won't be able to tell which albino strain she is unless you buy an albino animal with known genetics (which strain of albino) from each strain and prove her out.

[Kodieh]

I really recommend learning a lot more about Leo's, their genetics, and morphology before breeding. Also purchasing genetically known animals too. Without knowing which strain of albino, you risk making normals het for both strains you end up mixing.

A good rule of thumb I follow is if you're unable to identify a Leo that is of the common morphs, then it's not yet time for you to breed anything but common morphs. Mack snows would be a good and fun choice, but make sure you get definite proof that it's a Mack because as adults they look like normals. You can only tell by looks that it's Mack when it's a baby. That pairing would make more Mack's and possibly supers. But never breed supers together because you'll get still births and major deformities.




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[gsarchie]

But never breed supers together because you'll get still births and major deformities.

I've never heard that and am not quite sure how it is possible. Care to elaborat? You've piqued my curiousity...

[californiakingsnake]

alright ill probably just keep him as a pet then, Ill get a pair of mack snows or something to breed.

[gsarchie]

alright ill probably just keep him as a pet then, Ill get a pair of mack snows or something to breed.

What!? No way!! Don't let someone else spoil your fun because you don't know as much about morphs as they do!

Anyway, all that it would take to learn the leopard gecko morphs is to go to VMSHerp.com and look at all their pictures of adults and for sale hatchlings and you'll be a pro in no time. Don't ever let someone make you think that you can't do something, and that is the worst excuse for not breeding that I have ever heard. I think that a case could be made for the assumption that most people with leopard geckos don't know what morph (if any) they have and, more impartantly, don't care, as they only have one or two and have no intention of ever breeding. We all had to start somewhere and you can breed WHATEVER animals you want, not that you need me to give you premission. Good luck finding that patternless mack snow.

[Kodieh]

I've never heard that and am not quite sure how it is possible. Care to elaborat? You've piqued my curiousity...

Super snows, like their name, are a super form of the snow gene. As a result of that (something similar to super cinnys) they grow at a slower rate than other gecko morphs, and thus when mixed it intensifies the slow growth resulting in said still births and deformities.

As for the breeding, it's one of those things that theres so many people breeding without knowledge of what they're doing (like mixing strains of albino) with "mutts" going around that it hampers some larger operations. It's not like ball pythons, where you can throw two together and make something, some times you end up (in Leo's) with normal double hets that won't produce something containing both genes (specifically the albinos again haha).


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[gsarchie]

Super snows, like their name, are a super form of the snow gene. As a result of that (something similar to super cinnys) they grow at a slower rate than other gecko morphs, and thus when mixed it intensifies the slow growth resulting in said still births and deformities.

As for the breeding, it's one of those things that theres so many people breeding without knowledge of what they're doing (like mixing strains of albino) with "mutts" going around that it hampers some larger operations. It's not like ball pythons, where you can throw two together and make something, some times you end up (in Leo's) with normal double hets that won't produce something containing both genes (specifically the albinos again haha).

I'm aware of the different strains of albinos not being allelic and am familiar with a majority of the different morps found in leopard geckos. What made me ask about the mack snow comment is that by breeding a mack super snow to a mack super snow you will only produce more mack super snows, not some sort of mack super super snow, and if the parents were healthy then I see no reason why their progeny wouldn't be as well. The one leo egg that I incubated from a mack snow het tremp X patternless het tremper developed fully and thenn died in the egg before hatching. Maybe it was a result of what you mentioned?

[Kodieh]

I'm aware of the different strains of albinos not being allelic and am familiar with a majority of the different morps found in leopard geckos. What made me ask about the mack snow comment is that by breeding a mack super snow to a mack super snow you will only produce more mack super snows, not some sort of mack super super snow, and if the parents were healthy then I see no reason why their progeny wouldn't be as well. The one leo egg that I incubated from a mack snow het tremp X patternless het tremper developed fully and thenn died in the egg before hatching. Maybe it was a result of what you mentioned?

It's possible. The slow growth feature is pretty prevalent when it comes to involving the super snow gene. But I couldn't say "yes" because there could be a million other things as well.


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