Citrus, Lemon, regular Pastel.

[Robert093090]

Ok so like i though, VERY confusing lol im happy with my little guy

[bman123]

The whole pastel line thing is pretty crazy. The way i look at it is once a (lemon) is bred to a non lemon none of them are lemon pastel.

[TheSnakeEye]

The whole pastel line thing is pretty crazy. The way i look at it is once a (lemon) is bred to a non lemon none of them are lemon pastel.

This.

[m00kfu]

Everyone else covered it pretty good so far, but from my understanding the only pastel that is 'more' than others is the citrus line from Amir. Last I knew it was associated with what he was calling the white-out gene, basically extreme blushing that theoretically could occasionally pop up in any breeding involving a citrus. I haven't kept up on it too much so I'm not sure if that's still the current theory.

[The Serpent Merchant]

Everyone else covered it pretty good so far, but from my understanding the only pastel that is 'more' than others is the citrus line from Amir. Last I knew it was associated with what he was calling the white-out gene, basically extreme blushing that theoretically could occasionally pop up in any breeding involving a citrus. I haven't kept up on it too much so I'm not sure if that's still the current theory.

There is something more with Lemon Pastels as well, for instance you can't make an inferno with out a lemon line pastel...

[rabernet]

The names are used to describe selectively bred lines of pastels produced by certain breeders. The confusion stems from the fact that once such an animal leaves the original breeder's hands, the new owner begins breeding it to whatever, and then calls the resulting offspring by the name of their parent--when it absolutely is not.

It only takes one careless breeding to undo all of that careful, selective breeding!

Now, if the new owner is extremely careful in their pairings, they may preserve the look of the line, and the offspring may deserve to retain that name, but otherwise? Nope.

Lemon pastels: Very high yellow, and high contrast, often black, markings, with no real blushing.
Graziani: Extreme blushing, but generally not very high yellow.
Citrus: Combining high blushing with very high yellow.

Normal: Any combination of the above traits, but not generally to any tremendous extremes.

So, if someone is selling hatchling 'lemon pastels', and they're not superbly high yellow with bold, contrasting black...they're not lemon, they were just sired by an animal that may have had one in its lineage. When shopping for hatchling pastels, remember that orange generally becomes brown in adults, so lots of orange is a sign of an animal that will brown out. It all depends on what sort of look you want to bring into your breeding projects.

There ARE lemons that have real blushing. Those are the ones that Kevin started messing with more and discovered the fader gene.

My male is confirmed by Kevin to come from a NERD lemon, and has blushing. He's also seen the babies I've produced and has strongly encouraged me to line breed them, as he believes that mine may also have the fader gene because of the blushing babies that he produces. I acquired my male before Kevin even realized that there was another gene (fader) at play.

Because I'm not 100% certain (until some more line breeding) that mine is fader, I don't advertise my lemons as fader - but they absolutely are selectively bred - as is everything in my collection.

I also don't understand the line of thinking that once the animal leaves NERD that its resulting offspring are not lemons??? Kevin bred his lemons to normals, others breed theirs to normals. What makes his normals different than normals outside of NERD? I do agree that selective breeding needs to be maintained to keep the standard high.

The only one I've ever seen this statement from has been you, and I've always wondered where that came from? Is that your opinion, or have you seen others with the same rigid definition as you?

[Robert093090]

Everyone else covered it pretty good so far, but from my understanding the only pastel that is 'more' than others is the citrus line from Amir. Last I knew it was associated with what he was calling the white-out gene, basically extreme blushing that theoretically could occasionally pop up in any breeding involving a citrus. I haven't kept up on it too much so I'm not sure if that's still the current theory.

You're right. I buy all my things from Amir's store Pangea Pets and that's where my friend got his Citrus. We plan to breed it to a couple of normals including one of mine to get some SWEET Citrus Pastels

I know it's a bad pic but you can see some differences
This is the Citrus from Amir. He is waaaayyy brighter and the white out he has is SICK! *bad pic*

[The Serpent Merchant]

I'm a little confused. Are you comparing the 2 snakes in that picture?

[Robert093090]

I'm a little confused. Are you comparing the 2 snakes in that picture?

No no no lol that's a pic my friend sent me a while back. Im only showing the Citrus Pastel not the Spider. Sorry i should have specified.

[The Serpent Merchant]

Ok, just making sure lol