What have I done?!?!?

[liv]

And please dont try to shove it down my throat!

LOL!

[CherryPython]

I used to have hair so long I could sit on it...it's not the same but after a girl at my secondary school decided to try and set my hair on fire, and then someone else decided to bully me about it and pulled a large chunk of it out at one point, I ended up having to cut it off It was horrible. Really horrible. I feel your pain.

[Egapal]

Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)


Other fun laws from Leviticus and Deuteronomy:

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)

If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it's inhabitants... even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)

People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)


There are LOADS more crazy things in those two books. Christians tend to over look almost all of the ones that don't have to do with homosexuality.

For starters I am an atheist.
You are not translating that line well. Assuming you are trying to make all the various parts of the bible fit together its pretty clear you should cut your hair but not your beard.

Ezekiel 44:20
They shall not shave their heads or let their locks grow long; they shall surely trim the hair of their heads.

Leviticus 19:27
You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard. (this is about side burns and beards)

1 Corinthians 11:14
Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him,

[Egapal]

For starters I am an atheist.
You are not translating that line well. Assuming you are trying to make all the various parts of the bible fit together its pretty clear you should cut your hair but not your beard.

Ezekiel 44:20
They shall not shave their heads or let their locks grow long; they shall surely trim the hair of their heads.

Leviticus 19:27
You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard. (this is about side burns and beards)

1 Corinthians 11:14
Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him,

Your hair is cut now. Get over it. As for your father. You could have just not gone on the trip and not paid him. His request that you pay him back would never hold up in court. End of the day its hair. The point is its gone now. You have two choices. Get over it. Or call whine-1-1.

[ChrisS]

Wow, I should never opened this thread. For the OP if you are in a position to ask your father for money, you are also in a position to respect his wishes. He's letting you go to Europe on his dime. I'm sure that isn't the first time he has asked you to cut your hair. And you allowed others to bash a man (and his beliefs) that you should at the very least respect. Grow up.
And for the religion bashers, being that close minded is just as ignorant as your friends over at PETA wanting to get rid of our snakes. Not every religious person is a rapist or molester. Please do not state it as of it were that way.

[Egapal]

Wow, I should never opened this thread. For the OP if you are in a position to ask your father for money, you are also in a position to respect his wishes. He's letting you go to Europe on his dime. I'm sure that isn't the first time he has asked you to cut your hair. And you allowed others to bash a man (and his beliefs) that you should at the very least respect. Grow up.
And for the religion bashers, being that close minded is just as ignorant as your friends over at PETA wanting to get rid of our snakes. Not every religious person is a rapist or molester. Please do not state it as of it were that way.

I don't believe anyone is saying that all religious people are rapist or molesters. As an atheist it is completely understandable that whether or not a person is a rapist or a molester is completely separate from their religious belief. I don't make a habit of telling others what is moral and what is not. It is on the other hand the practice of many religious people to declare that there is a moral authority and that they are acting in accordance with that authority. I believe that the point that was trying to be made was that its particularly nonsensical when religion is used as a basis to tell people how they should live when there are so many examples of people claiming to be religious while simultaneously acting in direct opposition to beliefs they claim to have. I would agree with you that the OP's father has a certain amount of control they are entitled to express in exchange for financial support. I don't see "Cut your hair or no vacation," as being a particularly "cool" thing to say but I see no problem with it. On the other hand saying "Hey do you want to go to Europe, ok cool then cut your hair or you need to pay me back for these tickets I bought you" is flat out wrong. You can not hold someone accountable for a contract they did not agree to.

[CherryPython]

Erm, also if he had agreed to it on the condition that the OP cut his hair at the time the agreement was made that might have been different - and as far as I can tell this wasn't the case?. The OP might have had time to think about it...but he dropped it on him at short notice. Unfair isn't the word.

[ChrisS]

I don't believe anyone is saying that all religious people are rapist or molesters. As an atheist it is completely understandable that whether or not a person is a rapist or a molester is completely separate from their religious belief. I don't make a habit of telling others what is moral and what is not. It is on the other hand the practice of many religious people to declare that there is a moral authority and that they are acting in accordance with that authority. I believe that the point that was trying to be made was that its particularly nonsensical when religion is used as a basis to tell people how they should live when there are so many examples of people claiming to be religious while simultaneously acting in direct opposition to beliefs they claim to have. I would agree with you that the OP's father has a certain amount of control they are entitled to express in exchange for financial support. I don't see "Cut your hair or no vacation," as being a particularly "cool" thing to say but I see no problem with it. On the other hand saying "Hey do you want to go to Europe, ok cool then cut your hair or you need to pay me back for these tickets I bought you" is flat out wrong. You can not hold someone accountable for a contract they did not agree to.

Your right only half. While I agree many religious people have a "holier than thou" complex and over impose their opinions, that doesn't make them rapists, wife beaters, molesters or any other sick monster. I understand that the post was probably never intended to be read as literal statement but it was followed by another post with a link, and so I'm left to wonder whether it's actually believed that all men of faith are that way or is the poster trying to make a scene. Also the OP stated that his post was a rant do I'm guessing the conversation between him and his father played out a little differently than he posted. My guess is it went closer to like this,
Op father: I'm tired of asking you to cut your hair, if you don't then you won't go to Europe.
Op: Fine I won't go.
Op father: Then you will repay me for what I've spent.

It just seems to me a man who is willing to drop that kind of money on his son isn't also going to be that big of a jerk. Maybe I'm wrong but I was a rebellious youngster with long hair once too.

[Egapal]

Your right only half. While I agree many religious people have a "holier than thou" complex and over impose their opinions, that doesn't make them rapists, wife beaters, molesters or any other sick monster. I understand that the post was probably never intended to be read as literal statement but it was followed by another post with a link, and so I'm left to wonder whether it's actually believed that all men of faith are that way or is the poster trying to make a scene. Also the OP stated that his post was a rant do I'm guessing the conversation between him and his father played out a little differently than he posted. My guess is it went closer to like this,
Op father: I'm tired of asking you to cut your hair, if you don't then you won't go to Europe.
Op: Fine I won't go.
Op father: Then you will repay me for what I've spent.

It just seems to me a man who is willing to drop that kind of money on his son isn't also going to be that big of a jerk. Maybe I'm wrong but I was a rebellious youngster with long hair once too.

I believe you are mixing me up with sho220. I most certainly do not believe that all people of faith are any particular way. All we can do is give people the benefit of assuming they are truthful and well meaning. I assume sho220 was exaggerating to make a point. Its that point that I was defending. If sho220 believes all people of faith can be classified together I certainly disagree and retract my support. I further assume that the OP is telling us the truth. If his father bought tickets and then after the fact decided that whether or not his hair was cut was part of the deal then the father is in the wrong no matter how much money he spent. You simply can not manipulate people into doing what you want with tricks and maintain the moral high ground. I agree with you that the OP should cut his hair and enjoy his time in Europe. Its not my decision to make though. He should have the right to refuse the monetary support in exchange for the right to keep his hair. The OP is after all an adult at the age of 21.

[ChrisS]

I believe you are mixing me up with sho220. I most certainly do not believe that all people of faith are any particular way. All we can do is give people the benefit of assuming they are truthful and well meaning. I assume sho220 was exaggerating to make a point. Its that point that I was defending. If sho220 believes all people of faith can be classified together I certainly disagree and retract my support. I further assume that the OP is telling us the truth. If his father bought tickets and then after the fact decided that whether or not his hair was cut was part of the deal then the father is in the wrong no matter how much money he spent. You simply can not manipulate people into doing what you want with tricks and maintain the moral high ground. I agree with you that the OP should cut his hair and enjoy his time in Europe. Its not my decision to make though. He should have the right to refuse the monetary support in exchange for the right to keep his hair. The OP is after all an adult at the age of 21.

I do apologize sho220 is who I meant.