Desert female documentation for fertility?

[Royal Hijinx]

Had this conversation yesterday over at Amir Soleymani's shop with a couple of folks who don't have much of an online presence, but who's snakes you've all probably seen at expos. The general consensus is we will see Russians on Mars before we see viable eggs from a Desert female...

But, as long as folks keep buying $1700 Deserts females, hope springs eternal!

Prices that are only kept up by rumor and innuendo.

As far as paperwork, any given snake could be sub-fertile. Or the male could be shooting blanks, who knows (I am imaging this phrase is a Chris Walken accent, just for funsies). So I doubt we will ever see a guarantee of fertility or production.

[John1982]

I don't think any kind of guarantee should have to be written. I DO think that people selling animals with known issues should disclose this to potential customers before making a sale. You can't expect everybody to know all the known genetic issues out there, especially when certain breeders seem more than happy to keep such information to themselves.

[h00blah]

I don't think any kind of guarantee should have to be written. I DO think that people selling animals with known issues should disclose this to potential customers before making a sale. You can't expect everybody to know all the known genetic issues out there, especially when certain breeders seem more than happy to keep such information to themselves.

The problem is that breeders are selling deserts saying that they ARE fertile, and that they WILL lay eggs... Perhaps they're lying just to make a sale? That's wrong. lol

[Royal Hijinx]

The problem is that breeders are selling deserts saying that they ARE fertile, and that they WILL lay eggs... Perhaps they're lying just to make a sale? That's wrong. lol

I have noticed this in ads. Folks saying that this or that Desert female will be "ready for next season". They are either delusional or liars.

As for buyers, if you are in the market for a >$1000 BP, you had darn well better have heard of the Desert issues... You can only blame so much on the seller.

[Slim]

I am imaging this phrase is a Chris Walken accent, just for funsies

[h00blah]

As for buyers, if you are in the market for a >$1000 BP, you had darn well better have heard of the Desert issues... You can only blame so much on the seller.

I wouldn't take advantage of the ignorant. Though is it the seller's responsibility to inform the buyer about the snake that they have for sale? I wouldn't blatantly say "deserts are infertile". I would say "There's a rumor going around that desert females do not lay viable eggs. I haven't proved this myself, but just something to know." Then leave it upto the buyer... The buyer could always say "it's impossible for one morph to be infertile.. gimme the desert".. Then you sell him the desert lol.

[Royal Hijinx]

I wouldn't take advantage of the ignorant. Though is it the seller's responsibility to inform the buyer about the snake that they have for sale? I wouldn't blatantly say "deserts are infertile". I would say "There's a rumor going around that desert females do not lay viable eggs. I haven't proved this myself, but just something to know." Then leave it upto the buyer... The buyer could always say "it's impossible for one morph to be infertile.. gimme the desert".. Then you sell him the desert lol.

I am not saying you should lie or withhold information. My point is that a consumer needs to make themselves informed when making a purchase, as not everyone has the same moral compass as we do.

I think at this point if someone buys a Desert female with no clue to the infertility issues, then that is an issue on their part as well.

Now, when they become super cheap and are being sold off as pets, I could see someone just buying the pretty baby BP, and they should be labeled as what they are from the seller: infertile.

[h00blah]

I am not saying you should lie or withhold information. My point is that a consumer needs to make themselves informed when making a purchase, as not everyone has the same moral compass as we do.

I think at this point if someone buys a Desert female with no clue to the infertility issues, then that is an issue on their part as well.

Now, when they become super cheap and are being sold off as pets, I could see someone just buying the pretty baby BP, and they should be labeled as what they are from the seller: infertile.

Agree 100%. I still find it to be a sticky situation. I can't wait for this whole thing to blow over already.

[TheSnakeEye]

Had this conversation yesterday over at Amir Soleymani's shop with a couple of folks who don't have much of an online presence, but who's snakes you've all probably seen at expos. The general consensus is we will see Russians on Mars before we see viable eggs from a Desert female...

But, as long as folks keep buying $1700 Deserts females, hope springs eternal!

Not trying to move off topic, but how is Ben doing? Is the shop doing good?

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Since people write up documentation that guarantees genetics of a heterozygous snake, why don't people write up documentation for desert females saying that they WILL produce viable eggs? The people who are selling them seem to be telling their customers that deserts are 100% fertile

While I understand the point you are trying to make about a particular mutation there is problem, how can anyone guarantee that any female regardless of the mutation is fertile, or will lay egg successfully?

How could you guarantee that a male, any male is fertile?