Ugh.. I think she's sick

[jbean7916]

Jbean, I already decided to pay a visit to the herp store next week to see if I can get any more information about manasha that might help me.

I bought her and Bogo end of Jan, beginning of Feb. this first pic I have is dated 2/2. And that's the one in my profile here. The other one where she's laying on her hide is from about 2 week ago or so.

They said she was 3 months old when I got her. Which would put her hatch date in November last year.

So 5 months of age going on 6.

They said she was breed by another customer with two pastels. Not a breeder


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5 or 6 months and only 74g? That poor skinny girl! I hope you get the husbandry sorted out and get her back from the vet so you can get some weight on her!

I know you are putting a divider in your tank. Are you going to black out the sides and back? I wonder if just seeing bogo through the divider might stress her out since hes much bigger. I would look into a way to block the visual between them for awhile too.

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[Manasha-Bogo]

WOW, my last clutch averaged at 70g a baby (granted they were big eggs), so maybe she has a parasite or something. Is the vet taking a fecal sample?

Yea that's what Im gonna do. I hate going shopping which is why I order everything but I'm just gonna suck it up and go to Target or Walmart when I get back into town.


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[Manasha-Bogo]

WOW, my last clutch averaged at 70g a baby (granted they were big eggs), so maybe she has a parasite or something. Is the vet taking a fecal sample?

Yes she is. As soon as she has a bowel movement.

Doc sounded like she thought it was only the mites but said she' gonna do a full panel (whatever that means). The mites only came into the picture 3 weeks ago. Something else must be stunting her growth.


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[Manasha-Bogo]

5 or 6 months and only 74g? That poor skinny girl! I hope you get the husbandry sorted out and get her back from the vet so you can get some weight on her!

I know you are putting a divider in your tank. Are you going to black out the sides and back? I wonder if just seeing bogo through the divider might stress her out since hes much bigger. I would look into a way to block the visual between them for awhile too.

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Yep, that's the plan! I want to run my ideas by everyone to get some constructive criticism. The only thing that worries me about it is being able to maintain good humidity with a screen top but I have ideas to deal with that too.

But without getting too detailed, the acrylic divider is a perfect fit and with sylicone sealant it will be an airtight boundary.

Then I will cover the back and sides with thin wood paneling

Hit save too soon.

So the only side not covered will be the front. And I'll install UTH. I may or may not reuse my lighting I built for a planted tank depending on how the temp behave in there. Don't wanna have it too hot and I want to make sure there is a cool side.

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[satomi325]

Wow. She is tiny!
Poor thing.

I have 4 females born in November. So that makes them about the same age as your girl. They were about the same starting size too. The largest(youngest) one is currently ~500 g. The smallest one(oldest and a slow starter) is close to ~300.
The average growth of the whole lot is a little less than 100g a month just to give you a comparison.

Something is definitely not right. I hope the most your girl has is parasites. Those are easy to get rid of compared to other potential problems.

Ask your vet if there is an option of a cloaca wash to get a fecal sample. It can be a little stressful on the snake, but it will speed some tests up as it might take weeks for her to defecate on her own.
And a full panel just means a whole range of tests. (usually from either a blood or fecal sample.)

As for tank screen top and humidity, there are few options. You can use a larger water bowl and leave it in the hot side of the tank. You can cover 90% of the screen with tin foil, plexiglass, or a damp towel.

Keep us posted!

And thanks for sticking around and giving this forum another chance.

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[Manasha-Bogo]

Wow. She is tiny!
Poor thing.

I have 4 females born in November. So that makes them about the same age as your girl. They were about the same starting size too. The largest(youngest) one is currently ~500 g. The smallest one(oldest and a slow starter) is close to ~300.
The average growth of the whole lot is a little less than 100g a month just to give you a comparison.

Something is definitely not right. I hope the most your girl has is parasites. Those are easy to get rid of compared to other potential problems.

Ask your vet if there is an option of a cloaca wash to get a fecal sample. It can be a little stressful on the snake, but it will speed some tests up as it might take weeks for her to defecate on her own.
And a full panel just means a whole range of tests from a sample.

As for tank screen top and humidity, there are few options. You can use a larger water bowl and leave it in the hot side of the tank. You can cover 90% of the screen with tin foil, plexiglass, or a damp towel.

Keep us posted!

And thanks for sticking around and giving this forum another chance.

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Thanks! I will ask about the cloaca wash when I call for an update.

Yea I read up on what normal weight is supposed to be and it is shocking that she is this light weight.


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[Manasha-Bogo]

Btw, what is tapatalk 2? I use tapatalk, went looking for another version but all I can find is tapatalk (1) not 2.


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[DooLittle]

Btw, what is tapatalk 2? I use tapatalk, went looking for another version but all I can find is tapatalk (1) not 2.


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Perhaps it is the version for Android phones. Maybe tapatalk is the Apple version for iPhone and tapatalk 2 is for other androids.

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[Zombie]

Perhaps it is the version for Android phones. Maybe tapatalk is the Apple version for iPhone and tapatalk 2 is for other androids.

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There was recently an update (at least for android) it looks completely different then it used to. Maybe just check if there is an update for the app.

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[Manasha-Bogo]

So, I heard from the vet again this evening.

I asked weight numbers again just in case I had been hearing things earlier. But no such luck.

Thursday: 74g
Today: 86g

They have been tube feeding her. Yesterday she was given ivermectin for the mites and fenbendazole for intestinal parasites. ( both meds I'm familiar with thanks to my rabbits ). They are wiping her down with mineral oil to remove the mites still on her. Note: It's strange to me that the male is mite free right now but she is not.

They will feed her again on Monday. They are giving her only small amounts of food in order not to overload her. I asked about alternative ways to get a fecal and the answer was they have to wait for her to poop on her own because using a tube to extract it won't get anything because snakes absorb all their food if they haven't eaten this long. The way he explained it made sense at the time. He (vet #2 this time, vet #1 is out today) explained snakes are not like humans in that we always have some amount of waste in our intestines at all times which you can go in and get. Not so with reptiles, he says.

But they have already treated for parasites anyway so it doesn't really matter now, I think. Except that we probably won't know for sure if she had parasites. Assuming a test on fecals would come back clear after treatment. (personal assumption)

They don't work Sunday so the next update will be Monday.


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