NERD reptiles fairly priced?

[JTrott]

Prices are set by the seller. Worth is determined by the market and the buyer. A subtle distinction, but an important one.

I guess that is a matter of opinion.....I think that market is determined by one person dropping price to get rid of animals quickly, and the next person dropping lower to do the same.....you know what they say about opinions.

Jason

[Slim]

I guess that is a matter of opinion.....

It's a matter of economic science. You can charge anything you want. The market will determine what it's worth.

If one of the morphs you produce is worth $3000 on Monday, but the price gets cut and it's only worth $1500 on Thrusday, you can cry over that spilled milk if you want to, but in reality, it was only ever really worth what someone was willing to pay for it.

If another breeder 'cuts' their prices, why does that make them the bad guy? They have a business to run just like you do. If your morphs are really worth what you price them at, then you shouldn't be the least bit bothered by 'price cutters'.

[MrLang]

As several have said, they charge that much because they can. Kevin pioneered a lot of this BP morph stuff. Think in terms of clothing designers. I'll never understand high fashion personally, but there are some who would argue "are you serious... of course these shoes are worth $2,000... the red sole means they're Louis Vuitton!" Those same idiots would spend the extra thousand bucks on a snake to say it came from a 'famous' breeder and blood line.

I used to have a german shepherd when I was a kid that we bought from a breeder for 1,700 dollars. We could have picked one up for closer to 1,000. We paid the extra because her (the dog) father was an award winning show dog. Guess what, she still got bad hips and had to be put down before her time.



I bought my snake from a guy who is local to the area and who used to work at NERD. His shop is literally in the same town as NERD. Most of his breeder snakes were the best examples of the morphs he could get and were literally from NERD or only 1 generation behind. I bought from him because his prices were literally half that of the same snake at NERD and came from breeder snakes who may very well have been from the same clutch originally. I asked why his prices were so much lower and he replied, "because that's what they're worth."

He also said it was because he thoroughly enjoys sticking it to NERD for personal reasons, but that's a story for another day... (a very risque story, too!)

[RobNJ]

I think the OP has a fair question.

I see the OP's question as "Are the NERD snakes worth the premium over current market?".

Ok, so fair question, albeit a poorly worded question.

He does not seem to be saying that he will not pay it if they really are. Also, he is not the first person to dare utter that NERD pricing may be out of whack with the market.

It's all nonsensical complaining...the ball python market is arbitrary at best. There is nothing to regulate it.

It appears they are willing to negotiate a bit (as most folks are). And, that is cool. But to be honest, 11% off something marked up 60% is not that much. Kind of reminds me of department store jewelry.

There is no mark up because there is no set market. People charge what they can get, and NERD can command higher prices than most. Does that mean they're being unfair? Not at all. You can buy an "I Love NY" t-shirt in Times Square for $25, and you can buy that same exact shirt at a rest stop in western PA for $8.50...does that mean that the guy in Times Square is being unfair?

Saying that NERD is selling at "mark up" prices is ridiculous...and you will surely see this when you go to sell snakes and see how many people out there are selling animals at $0.40-$0.50 on the dollar of so called "market price", making it more difficult for you to sell your snakes...you'll be much more appreciative of those who price and can actually sell at premium prices.

Look at Hypos, they are as hard to make as a Pied, but the value is not there.

That may be because there are a lot more hypos out there.

[Royal Hijinx]

I love it when my words get pulled apart and analyzed.

I gave 2 examples of pricing that I have noticed. One that I thought was out of whack and another that I thought was appropriate.

No set market may be true in the most literal sense, but there is a known price range for most morphs based on what is selling, and outliers are and should be generally removed from the equation. Price cutters should be looked at a outliers AS SHOULD someone charging 300% of current "market." The idea that the whole thing is a true free-for-all and there is not a basic consensus on values is ridiculous as well. I do not believe prices should drop because a person or two undercut to sell theirs, but there is also a natural settling of prices over time related to many factors.

NERD can charge whatever they like, and the snake will sell or not. I am not accusing them of "mark up" directly, but if something is 50-300% (example numbers) over the average market value, it is what it is.

Either way, I am not here to be in a argument, just offering how I think about it.

To answer the OP: Maybe. If YOU think the name and the animal is worth the premium, then yes they are worth it. If not, then no, look elsewhere.

[JTrott]

If another breeder 'cuts' their prices, why does that make them the bad guy?

I never said anything about anyone being a bad guy.

They have a business to run just like you do. If your morphs are really worth what you price them at, then you shouldn't be the least bit bothered by 'price cutters'.

Price cutters don't bother me because MOST, not all, of them quickly realize that most people are not gonna be millionaires doing this, and will quickly get out.....I would be willing to bet that maybe half of the people doing it today will still be doing it in 5 years......I have been doing this for about 10 years, and have seen prices change alot, and ALOT of those people who invested ALOT of money 5-10 years ago, are FAR gone now......again, just an opinion, and you know what they say about them......

Jason

[Amon Ra Reptiles]

I agree that when you but from NERD you are buying a little piece of mind that you know the animal was housed correctly cared for correctly and comes from good reputable genetics but I think that accounts for about 15% of the additional cost. The other 85% is the name.

As someone else stated if I'm looking for a soul sucker or some other NERD specialty then I'll go to NERD but something as common as a queen bee? No way I'm payin that price. Nice examples of morphs are out there without the exorbitant price tag.

Personally I think that's a fun part of this hobby. I have a list of a few animals that I got well below market value that are exceptional examples. I enjoy the hunt for the bargain.

[Slim]

Price cutters don't bother me

Oh, you seemed a touch bothered...

the people who look for the cheapest price, are usually the people who are gonna cut your throat next year when they drop the price LOWER to sell their animal cheaper than you...

just an opinion, and you know what they say about them......

Why yes I do...

[JTrott]

Oh, you seemed a touch bothered...









Why yes I do...

Sounds/Reads, like you like to read things into what people type....I never put that it bothers me....I simply stated, as you pointed out, they they cut prices the next year......I don't really think that I need to argue/debate with you about this, as such, I am done.....you are right, I am wrong......your opinion about my statement is EXACTLY right.......we have hijacked this thread enough......I will back away quietly.....

Jason

[BallsUnlimited]

I buy my snakes not by price but what I personally like an think will make some good looking offspring so if it means i get to pay a little less then a big namer or pay the big namer price it doesnt matter to me as long as im happy at the end of the day with my purchase. excuse my terrible grammar lol