Heartbreaking......:(

[Salamander Rising]

Coming from someone that keeps tarantulas, I imagine the same advice holds true for balls...add heartbreaking as it is, buying him won't help anything. Buying him will show the pet store that they can move the product, and a new one will take his place, only to be neglected and mistreated. If enough of them are not bought, they will stop carrying them. That's better in the long run.

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Be that as it may, it's still torturing the snake and people like me, by proxy.

I understand your point, though.

Problem is, no matter how many die in the store, they get their refund.
Should somebody who wouldn't know it was doomed buy a snake that dies *after* the 14 day "warranty" period, they'll still keep selling them.

Within the warranty period, they return the body to the store, get a "new snake", the store returns the body to the wholesaler and it all starts over again.

These stores don't think like you or I would.

Live or dead, it's still a sale.

[kitedemon]

I understand the problem I experienced the same or at least similar problem..

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...hlight=wiggles

[The Serpent Merchant]

I understand what you all are saying and on principal I agree... But in reality we will never be able to stop enough sales for them to stop carrying them. but we also can't save them all.

[Salamander Rising]

As heartbreaking as it is, I'm inclined to agree with Dorvaan. Go back to the store, demand to speak to the manager, and make it clear you'll be reporting them for animal mistreatment. Then, follow through. Take pictures of the snake and contact your local ASPCA or Humane Society and file a report. If they can't take a report, find out who can. If you have a reptile rescue near by, they may know who to contact.

It's true that reporting them may not do anything for that poor little guy, but buying him will only encourage the store to contribute to the suffering of others like him.

The ASPCA/humane society doesn't respond.
It's not a 'domestic animal" and there are no reptile rescues, here.

Already tried that for the 4 starving Pastels a couple months ago.

They only react if it's already owned by a private citizen.

Snakes live in a legal twilight zone.

God, how I wish I'd hadn't gone there tonight but I needed supplies for my 2 RI snakes.
[who are doing wonderfully well now, thanks to everyone's advice]

I think I'll go out and grab some of my snake-kids and love-hug them silly and just cry a while.

[I keep telling myself I can't save everything but I never listen to me]

[Salamander Rising]

I understand the problem I experienced the same or at least similar problem..

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...hlight=wiggles

The Pin makes your little snake look overweight.
Seriously.

Maybe it's too far gone, already.

Bless you for saving that one.

I understand.

[Mike41793]

2) We can't save them all.


I'm reminded of a lesson I learned in USAF Survival School. During the POW camp portion of the training, they couldn't get any of the guys to talk, so they brought in the only female student in our group and proceeded to beat the crap out of her. Finally someone decided to do the "right" thing and talk. From then on, anytime they wanted to know something, that girl got her butt severely kicked. If everyone had just kept their mouth shut the first time, she would have only taken one beating...similar concept applies here.

Wow thats harsh but i understand the leeson learned here...

[snake lab]

There was a pet store near me that had a boa in the same sad condition. Someone dropped a dime to animal control, dont know who that could of
been and they went in and seized 16 animals and gave hefty fines. Just sayin

[ExotixTowing]

The store is got Diablo from is a great place, family run and knowledgeable staff!! The recently got a new ball. She is huge at least 2ft long and thick. I helped them get her enclosure set up and she is doing great.

But like walmart not carrying fish anymore, I think that the super pet stores should not carry any LIVE animal. Most do not have the staff prepared to know what they are supposed to do. Like pet smart here.. One day I walked in and found a bp in a glass tank with no hides no substraight heat nothing... I walked through the store gathered everything he needed and started setting up his Tank!! No expense spared as it was on them lol

[Salamander Rising]

There was a pet store near me that had a boa in the same sad condition. Someone dropped a dime to animal control, dont know who that could of
been and they went in and seized 16 animals and gave hefty fines. Just sayin

I can try again but you can't imagine my humane society.

They told me I HAD to bring in the 3 coons who attacked my dogs one morning and when I did, they didn't want to run tests on all 3 until the health department got involved and told them we weren't sure which one I'd had contact with.

That really pissed them off.

While I was waiting for the HD lady to call back and order them to do it, the woman dealing with this mess told me I had nothing to worry about, didn't have rabies and was basically being a PITA to them.

I had nothing better to do so I got up to go look at the shelter cats and she almost tackled me and refused to let me near them because I "might be rabid".

Geeze!
Make up my mind!!!

Almost 8 days later [talk about making me sweat] they called and said all 3 were rabid and to go the ER immediately for my first shots in the series.

That is what I deal with as far as a "humane society", here.

It took them 5 years to go after a known, repeat horse abuser and that was only after the dead horses started piling up along the fence that faced a fancy housing development.

[Salamander Rising]

The store is got Diablo from is a great place, family run and knowledgeable staff!! The recently got a new ball. She is huge at least 2ft long and thick. I helped them get her enclosure set up and she is doing great.

But like walmart not carrying fish anymore, I think that the super pet stores should not carry any LIVE animal. Most do not have the staff prepared to know what they are supposed to do. Like pet smart here.. One day I walked in and found a bp in a glass tank with no hides no substraight heat nothing... I walked through the store gathered everything he needed and started setting up his Tank!! No expense spared as it was on them lol

Our WalMarts carry fish.
They last about 20 minutes past the 7 day guarantee.