Number of Morphs

[fortozs]

I am total agreement with the OP's point. It is confusing to list all these morphs as different morphs if they are not. There are too many to keep up with as it is. I would like to see a list of all major base morphs with "complexes" listed and all "morphs" that belong to that "complex" listed. For example for co-dominant morphs:

Black Pastel-Cinnamon Complex - Black Pastels, Cinnamons (would mahoganies fit this?)

Pastel complex - pastel, lemon pastel, jungle pastel, citrus pastel

blue-eyed lucy complex - mojave, lesser, butter, honey

mystic-phantom complex - mystic-phantom

I'm not trying to debate whether morph a = morph b of the same complex. That's not the point. But it would definitely help organize things.

[paulh]

Has anyone crossed a black pastel with a cinny to get both genes in one snake? Mating such a snake with a normal would tell us whether the two genes are compatible. If they are not compatible, they cannot be the same gene. They may not be the same gene even if compatible, but that is harder to test.

[jsmorphs2]

Has anyone crossed a black pastel with a cinny to get both genes in one snake? Mating such a snake with a normal would tell us whether the two genes are compatible. If they are not compatible, they cannot be the same gene. They may not be the same gene even if compatible, but that is harder to test.

Yes, they are compatible and produce an all black/brown snake. But it's a similar situation to a Mojave x Lesser BEL. They are two different genes in the same complex.

[OhhWatALoser]

I am total agreement with the OP's point. It is confusing to list all these morphs as different morphs if they are not. There are too many to keep up with as it is. I would like to see a list of all major base morphs with "complexes" listed and all "morphs" that belong to that "complex" listed. For example for co-dominant morphs:

Black Pastel-Cinnamon Complex - Black Pastels, Cinnamons (would mahoganies fit this?)

Pastel complex - pastel, lemon pastel, jungle pastel, citrus pastel

blue-eyed lucy complex - mojave, lesser, butter, honey

mystic-phantom complex - mystic-phantom

I'm not trying to debate whether morph a = morph b of the same complex. That's not the point. But it would definitely help organize things.

http://www.owalreptiles.com/complexes.php

Has anyone crossed a black pastel with a cinny to get both genes in one snake? Mating such a snake with a normal would tell us whether the two genes are compatible. If they are not compatible, they cannot be the same gene. They may not be the same gene even if compatible, but that is harder to test.

it is called an 8-ball

[fortozs]

http://www.owalreptiles.com/complexes.php

Thank you so much. That is exactly what I was looking for.