Global Warming

[Jabberwocky Dragons]

Exactly! Its a scientific theory. If you wanna ignore it or dont believe it thats fine but to say its not real is just not true.

You've said a lot about global warming for several posts but have yet to produce any supporting evidence. I am open to hearing about man caused global warming but have not seen ANY legit studies to date. There were problems with your other posts too that I skipped but will go back now because of this post.

The earth hasnt warme in the past 15 years...Ok big deal. If you look at a BIG graph of like the past 800,000 years then we are on the rise higher than the averages have been before.

The Earth experiences incredibly different fluctuations in atmospheric makeup, rainfall, and literal Earth changing events such as super volcano eruptions and meteorite impacts, that makes average temperature over very long time spans completely useless for a man caused global warming debate. The Earth today is not going to have the same average temperature as it did 800,000, 400,000, or 200,000 years ago. I suppose that's good data to have (I'm all for expanding knowledge) but it's completely irrelevant to this.

We havent been around long enough but by looking at the different layers of the earth scientists have been able to pinpoint what the temps were, to a fairly accurate degree, over the past hundreds of thousands of years.

What may (big maybe on may) be useful would be temperature data since man started becoming industrialized and may actually be able to do some damage. I am not familiar with the methodology used for proxy climate data (using layers of the earth) but it seems iffy and easily fudged from the brief research I did. However, giving it the benefit of the doubt, proxy climate data still suggests that there has been zero man caused global warming.

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11676&page=81

From above link:

For central Greenland (Cuffey et al. 1995, Cuffey and Clow 1997, Dahl-Jensen et al. 1998), results show a warming over the last 150 years of approximately 1°C ± 0.2°C preceded by a few centuries of cool conditions. Preceding this was a warm period centered around A.D. 1000, which was warmer than the late 20th century by approximately 1°C.

It's extremely unlikely that 11th century man polluted more than we do, yet, these studies using techniques you support, show the Earth was "warmer" in 1,000 AD than it is today.


Scientific Theory does not equal fact. Some scientists believe man caused global warming but many many do not. There are several different competing Scientific Theories for the origin of the universe (String Theory, Big Bang, etc) but they are not all correct.

Let's see some evidence (cited peer reviwed studies) that aren't rocked by scandal and fraud and I will keep an open mind when I read them.

[RetiredJedi]

Do I believe it happens?...Yes. Do I believe man causes it?...No. Hear are a few links I have found on the topic so you can get out of them what you will:

No Need to Panic About Global Warming

Climate Alarmism: And the wall comes tumbling down

Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995

5 myths about green energy

The IPCC consensus on climate change was phoney, says IPCC insider

Silencing global warming critics

James Cameron cancels debate with climate skeptics

As a matter of fact an older Co-worker of mine remembers back in the early 70's, Time magazone had an article about the upcoming Ice Age. Alot of these "scientists", ten years ago, said that there would be any snow in ten years. RRRRRRRRiiiiight. I also have trouble with saying that if the glaciers melt then the oceans will rise. Ever put ice cubes in a glass of water and let them melt? The glass doesn't suddenly overflow because the ice melted. I prefer to listen to the science that talks about the connection between how the activity of the sun affects the climate of the earth and not live my life in fear.