Global Warming

[Mike41793]

Unfortunately (or fortunately for the millions upon millions of taxpayers dollars being funneled towards them), the IPCC was caught with their pants down creating fraudulent data points and deleting every other data point that didn't fit their graphs. I know nothing about the website you linked to but the place they're getting their information from is 100% fradulent. I'm open to hearing about man caused Global Warming but to date have not seen one scientificly rigorous, peer reviewed study that hasn't been rocked by scandal (famous hockey stick graph, East Anglia emails, etc).

Here is a link to one of many, many articles about it:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...eneration.html

Here is a great quote from the linked article about the so called "science" and open mindness that goes on that the IPCC:

Ya like i said, i didnt wanna use that bc i know someone was gunna prove it was BS somehow but there are similar charts provided by more accurate sources.

[kitedemon]

I can't tell you why or how exactly but I personally have been up north above the arctic circle and the permafrost that has been frozen for as long as anyone can tell (1000s of years or longer) is now not frozen. Buildings and bridges have sunk into mud that has not been mud in recoded history. Robins have been seen in the NWT mosquitoes too in regions that have always been too cold for them.

The truly frightening part of the whole thing however is the apex predators, the polar bears are suffering huge problems from pollution they are the keystone species for the world.

I can't say why but I know things have changed in the Arctic but they have. i am certain there will be an impact what that will be I cannot say but something. The past 5 winters are the mildest I have ever seen in my area.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/sc...anarctic.shtml

[OhhWatALoser]

Here's what I think, global warming/climate change is not anything caused by anything within our control, humans are not the cause of climate change what so ever, that's been pretty much proven.

What has also been proven is that our air quality is crap and getting crappier. Generally we are screwing up this planet, whether it is warming up or not is irrelevant. With all the ways to prevent against "global warming" also normally improve air quality and other quality aspects of life. We should still be trying to make this world a better place.

Now what I don't agree with is the obvious agenda of corporations trying to use global warming as a scare tactic and implement laws they gives them tax payers money and put restrictions in areas of my life where they are not needed.

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

I know about the arctic but the numbers don't lie either. Places that are use to hot weather have been getting cooler weather. That part is just as obvious as the ice melting in the arctic.

It's obvious the weather is changing ALL over the planet. But again, the planetary temperatures have not risen at all in 15 years but have dropped.

[Mike41793]

I agree that we aren't doing anything good for the planet with all of our garbage, waste, gasses, etc.. But I don't believe that we are the cause of global warming.. Considering the new evidence, and the fact that there was much less accumulation of garbage and pollution back during the last thermal maximum... If we used THAT as an excuse, then we'd have to say the garbage and pollution accumulation causes global cooling.

I bet if you were alive back when they first suggested the earth was round, you would have been certain they were wrong. You seem the type to refuse to believe anything new once something's already in your head. I bet you could fit more information in your brain, and the other information that has been there so comfortably for so long would not be a bit upset about it though... You should give it a try.

lol youre judging me and saying im narrow minded by like 3 posts in this thread? Ok well it doesnt seem like your welcoming my opinion with open arms lol... Im not saying im right, but i dont think you are either. Id rather debate global warming than discuss our personalities lol.
CO2 amplifies the green house effect. The level of CO2 is higher now than ever before. Even through the natural hot and cold cycles of the earth that we talked about earlier. There are numerous HUMAN causes that are raising the levels. Most species populations in ecosystems can be shown using an "r" graph. Where once the carrying capacity is reached the population will level itself off. The graph of human population of the world looks like an "r" on its side. When will we reach the carrying capacity of our ecosystem, "earth", and essentially self destruct? Well at the rate were going... Mammal species have an average lifespan of 1 million years on earth. At the rate we are going, humans are not going to make it that far, i assure you.

[MarkS]

Who all beleives in Global Warming? Me personally I dont believe it.

Global warming is a scientific fact. But if you don't want to believe it, nobody can make you.

[Mike41793]

Global warming is a scientific fact. But if you don't want to believe it, nobody can make you.

Exactly! Its a scientific theory. If you wanna ignore it or dont believe it thats fine but to say its not real is just not true.

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

I think the question should not be who believes in global warming, but who believes that humans cause global warming. Of course global warming is a fact. So is global cooling. The planet goes through cycles.

[Jabberwocky Dragons]

Exactly! Its a scientific theory. If you wanna ignore it or dont believe it thats fine but to say its not real is just not true.

You've said a lot about global warming for several posts but have yet to produce any supporting evidence. I am open to hearing about man caused global warming but have not seen ANY legit studies to date. There were problems with your other posts too that I skipped but will go back now because of this post.

The earth hasnt warme in the past 15 years...Ok big deal. If you look at a BIG graph of like the past 800,000 years then we are on the rise higher than the averages have been before.

The Earth experiences incredibly different fluctuations in atmospheric makeup, rainfall, and literal Earth changing events such as super volcano eruptions and meteorite impacts, that makes average temperature over very long time spans completely useless for a man caused global warming debate. The Earth today is not going to have the same average temperature as it did 800,000, 400,000, or 200,000 years ago. I suppose that's good data to have (I'm all for expanding knowledge) but it's completely irrelevant to this.

We havent been around long enough but by looking at the different layers of the earth scientists have been able to pinpoint what the temps were, to a fairly accurate degree, over the past hundreds of thousands of years.

What may (big maybe on may) be useful would be temperature data since man started becoming industrialized and may actually be able to do some damage. I am not familiar with the methodology used for proxy climate data (using layers of the earth) but it seems iffy and easily fudged from the brief research I did. However, giving it the benefit of the doubt, proxy climate data still suggests that there has been zero man caused global warming.

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11676&page=81

From above link:

For central Greenland (Cuffey et al. 1995, Cuffey and Clow 1997, Dahl-Jensen et al. 1998), results show a warming over the last 150 years of approximately 1°C ± 0.2°C preceded by a few centuries of cool conditions. Preceding this was a warm period centered around A.D. 1000, which was warmer than the late 20th century by approximately 1°C.

It's extremely unlikely that 11th century man polluted more than we do, yet, these studies using techniques you support, show the Earth was "warmer" in 1,000 AD than it is today.


Scientific Theory does not equal fact. Some scientists believe man caused global warming but many many do not. There are several different competing Scientific Theories for the origin of the universe (String Theory, Big Bang, etc) but they are not all correct.

Let's see some evidence (cited peer reviwed studies) that aren't rocked by scandal and fraud and I will keep an open mind when I read them.

[RetiredJedi]

Do I believe it happens?...Yes. Do I believe man causes it?...No. Hear are a few links I have found on the topic so you can get out of them what you will:

No Need to Panic About Global Warming

Climate Alarmism: And the wall comes tumbling down

Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995

5 myths about green energy

The IPCC consensus on climate change was phoney, says IPCC insider

Silencing global warming critics

James Cameron cancels debate with climate skeptics

As a matter of fact an older Co-worker of mine remembers back in the early 70's, Time magazone had an article about the upcoming Ice Age. Alot of these "scientists", ten years ago, said that there would be any snow in ten years. RRRRRRRRiiiiight. I also have trouble with saying that if the glaciers melt then the oceans will rise. Ever put ice cubes in a glass of water and let them melt? The glass doesn't suddenly overflow because the ice melted. I prefer to listen to the science that talks about the connection between how the activity of the sun affects the climate of the earth and not live my life in fear.