Quote Originally Posted by RobNJ View Post
I had these goldfish when I was a kid and I loved them.

Did you read the part about the things that can happen to them? I know people that had lots of pets as kids. The point is that people use the same excuses for breeding them. They say that they eat, grow, and breed, meaning that they must be completely normal.

There is nothing in my spider's enclosure that it can hurt itself on.

Not even close to what I meant. It was an example for the excuse of breeding them being the same.


Because we like them, and like what breeding them does in combination with other genes.

So you HAVE to have them? I like anacondas, but I wouldn't buy one, knowing that it will get huge.

While patience and self control are important in this hobby, i don't see what that has to do with will power and not buying spiders. Some people don't like spiders, many people do. The people who do like them buy them and breed them for that reason, not because we have this insatiable urge to own/breed defective animals.

That's not what I meant. People all agree that they are trying to breed them out of the problems. You must not have seen all of the posts with people saying that they were 'nervous' about getting spiders, but got one anyways.

My vet likes spiders.

Most people that are not hearing it day after day wouldn't think that they should be bred. That includes most vets that are not involved in the ball python morphs.

If someone can come to the table with good reasons and facts as to why spiders should not be bred and present themselves in such a manner that doesn't come off as condemnation, I would happily "Thank" their post. Doesn't mean I'll stop keeping/breeding spiders, but I could appreciate it nonetheless.

And I didn't? If my posts seemed rude after a while, it is because I keep repeating information, and people keep ignoring it, making other excuses.

It's a little too late for that

So you're saying that you are not able to ignore something that is there already? That just goes back to what I said about people HAVING to get what they want, if they have the money for it.

Irrelevant to the matter at hand.

Actually not irrelevant. People urge people to buy a spider and not be 'nervous' about it. It's basically impulsive and an extremely biased choice.

I've not made one purchase based on opinions of the masses, including my spider. I'm sure many others can say the same.

I'm saying that based on seeing people say something like "I'm scared to buy a spider because of the head wobble", and people responding something like "Don't be nervous about buying one, just find a good breeder and buy what you like".

If that's what it takes to get eggs out of a Desert!

I wasn't saying that in a positive way. Not to be rude, but are you saying that there is no way around getting eggs out of a desert than C-section? I know one way. Only breed the males. The females are perfectly fine in every other way. Just breed only the males.

Ok, so now on a more serious note...Robin said you where what, 15? My hats off to you that at that age you seem so passionate about something and are able to organize and present your thoughts. That being said, I can see why people may be fairly dismissive of your posts based on how you present them...it almost comes with an air of elitism. Discussions without lecturing will always get you feedback...now whether it's feedback you agree with or not is beyond me, but you'll get better results. You can't expect to come on here being so highly opinionated about what is a sensitive subject to many one way or the other and expect to change peoples' minds.

I'm not really hoping to change peoples' minds about breeding spiders. There will probably be people that will for a long time. I'm just contradicting attempts to cover up for breeding them. What some people said on that other thread was almost interesting...

Other than that, all I can say is to go out and get yourself a spider....

I'm not sure what you mean by this.