Black pastels and cinnamons

[MrBig]

Offering a snake for sale as a particular morph, because it looks like said morph is dishonest and unethical. I think a seller should know the genetics of a snake they are selling, and truthfully and simply state what the facts are.

I personally only deal with Black pastels and I prefer them to cinnis. That being said there are some stunning cinni combos out there (yes yours Brandon) but I would be vvvvveeeerrrryyyy angry if someone tried to sell me a cinni as a Black pastel simply because it looked more like a Black Pastel. However I wouldn't buy a cinni looking Black pastel and I wouldn't buy a BP looking cinni if I were into them. This is one morph that I am even more particular about getting exactly what I want, and what I want in a BP is deep blacks, more orange then brown in pattern, and most importantly lots of pattern blending tweaking and shifting. The draw to me is more the pattern mutation and color comes second. I love how my Black Pewterblast has a washed look, but you can make out a connect the dot looking blended pattern of a Black Pastel. His mother has more patterns blurred or blended together then not, and is almost the perfect example of what a Black pastel should look like. I can never get pics to work here so if you want to see them check out KandK_Pythons on Facebook.

I guess that photo is a cinni and in my opinion a poor-mid level example (the only redeaming factor is the almost near perfect pattern color for a cinni). If I am wrong then it is a veryyyyyyyy low grade BP and one I wouldn't even consider buying.

[Mike41793]

Why not get a cinny and a black pastel and breed them together?

[RobNJ]

Define "stronger"? Do you mean more extreme (maybe more black) or less likely to have deformities?

I'm curious about this as well...especially how it is stated as fact. From what I've seen, neither are prone to kinking or duckbilling over the other.

[snake lab]

Because they are different morphs they both bring something different to the table. Brandons offspring of the super cinny to super pastel is straight up sick lookin. And when i say sick i mean smokin. If ya havent seen it check out his facebook page. Now to clarify what i said about blacks being a stronger gene i mean the they are less likely to throw duckbills and other minor deformities. Now i say this based on the amount of them i have produced personally and from what ive seen produced in other guys camps. But because these are 2 different morphs that do similar things it comes down to personal preference when working with them. Either way they are both in my mind a staple for anyone who are working with animals in numbers.

[John1982]

Now i say this based on the amount of them i have produced personally and from what ive seen produced in other guys camps.

Can you attach any numbers or percentages to this statement please so I can adjust my secondhand knowledge(firsthand to you obviously) accordingly.

[snake lab]

Numbers of babies ive produced of blacks and cinnies? I can take a stab at it. I would say probablly around 90 over the past few years. I am expecting 7 or 8 clutches of black stuff this year and hopefully 6 clutches of sterling stuff. Now as the numbers are small its enough to base an oppinion on experience with them

[Kev.K]

Is this a black pastel or a cinnamon?

This is a cinnamon. I think the responses prove there isn't much,(if any) difference.

[snake lab]

Well you made me a believer. Just kidding. You can say what you want they are 2 different morphs. They have 2 different looking supers and do 2 different things in combos. As they are close they are not the same. You pic just proves its not a good looking example of a cinnie. Sorry

[satomi325]

This is a cinnamon. I think the responses prove there isn't much,(if any) difference.

I think there is a difference between the two. Cinnys have more fading and Black Pastels have their trade mark squiggles.
You got only 1 person who was really sure it was a Black Pastel.

[John1982]

Numbers of babies ive produced of blacks and cinnies? I can take a stab at it. I would say probablly around 90 over the past few years. I am expecting 7 or 8 clutches of black stuff this year and hopefully 6 clutches of sterling stuff. Now as the numbers are small its enough to base an oppinion on experience with them

Holy cow, that's alot of super black/cinnamon pastels. How many of those had deformities?